[speechlesstx]

Allow me to clarify, what's the justification for all the doom and gloom hysteria by others? Science or ideology? What?

[Tuttyd]

Allow me to clarify, what's the justification for all the doom and gloom hysteria by others? Science or ideology? What?

You would have to ask them I guess. However, I don't see a lot of justification at this stage.

More likely science mixed with politics rather than ideology.

[speechlesstx]

They would never admit it, but I suspect it's more politics and ideology than science.

[tomder55]

I was suggesting that his theory is an example of affirming the consequence.

What consequences ? Warm weather and rich vegetation growth ? Sign me up . It beats food shortages and plagues that happened in the cold periods.
News in Brief: Cold spells were dark times in Eastern Europe | Science & Society | Science News

[paraclete]

Yes Tom the future with higher CO2 may be better in some climes but melting permafrost is an issue which we don't have the dementions of yet

[smoothy]

You would think the lefties would embrace global warming... they claim it will raise sea levels... and who owns much of the oceanfront property... the rich people they blame for everything... so if they really want to screw the rich... embrace global warming.

[paraclete]

You would think the lefties would embrace global warming...they claim it will raise sea levels...and who owns much of the oceanfront property...the rich people they blame for everything....so if they really want to screw the rich...embrace global warming.

A bridge too far, you know who ultimately get screwed by rising waters, don't you

[talaniman]

Lets not forget the monied interest that influences the science and the politics. And the very human need to use the only science we have. Bad as some ay fossil fuel are for now its all we got until the technology brings something better. Pretty much the same way the computer brought about so much change, and the problems that come with it, and continues to drive change, so will renewable and alternative energy sources.

Watch the Chinese and other nations as they develop their own industries and pass out those silly masks to its citizens and feel for them because for sure we here have been down that road in our own industrial centers, without the masks of course, but we cannot forget the lessons learned first hand, that as surely as burning fossil fuels enhances life, there is always the clean up when they system gets old and needs maintenance, or suffers failures, and glitches. And it always needs maintanace,and repair. Be it the pipelines, or the roads, and rails.

We have fallen short on that side of the equation so far, and that's the price we will pay in the future, as we also have to deal with the waste bi products side as we enjoy the benefits. We cannot just look at the benefit and not see or deal with the consequences, both short, and long term, and I think we can agree we have big problems short term, and few even acknowledge the long term at all, let alone have a plan to deal with it.

[excon]

Hello again,

They would never admit it, but I suspect it's more politics and ideology than science.

It must be noted that I'm the one who brought up global warming in its recent incarnation.. I wasn't gloomy and doomy about it. In fact, my premise was quite bright.. But, nobody took me up on it. I'm NOT wedded to the destruction of the oil and gas industry as the solution.. In fact, over the years, I've CONSTANTLY spoken about this problem as being an OPPORTUNITY rather than the END! And, I did so here again.

That's what Americans do. We take problems and turn them into solutions and make lots of money in the process.

But, when I speak of this stuff to our resident "free market" right wingers, they put the KIBOSH on it right away, with NO questions asked. Essentially, they're position is that technology has NOT progressed far enough to make it a reality.. So, we should just wait...

But, we didn't become who we are by waiting.

So, I already told you my position doesn't emanate from science. It emanates from my EXPERIENCE and my entrepreneurial bent. The Tesla is the kind of stuff I'm talking about.. It's the BEST car ever produced, hands down. We need MORE of that thinking - not less. If government needs to stimulate it, so be it.. That's exactly what the government SHOULD do.

Excon

[speechlesstx]

Speaking of waste bi-products, Obama has allocated $52 million to Detroit to remove "urban blight."

Libs have finally found a way to add jobs, by tearing down the bi-products of their failed policies.

[tomder55]

Keynesian policies used to be all about building infrastructure. I think they should leave it there and charge admission to view the archeology of liberalism's failure .

[NeedKarma]

liberalism's failure

Except for the schools, where all of the great conservatives graduated from. :D
You really need to get over your "liberalism-is-the-cause-of-all-evil" mindset. It's a very binary view of the world.

[tomder55]

In this case it's true . I think my idea is a good one... Great nations always leave behind the ruins of their collapse . We could call it the FDR park .

[talaniman]

That's better than what the righties have been doing.

Massive Toxic Black Cloud, Brought To You by the Koch Bros, Blows Over Detroit | Common Dreams

That was that poor small business guy you were crying about being shut down.

[NeedKarma]

the ruins of their collapse

Like trickle-down economics and the whole of the USA?

[smoothy]

Trickle down does work... what was a figment of the imagination was trickle UP economics... poor people don't create wealth... they are the black hole where it disappears never to be seen again.

[speechlesstx]

Except for the schools, where all of the great conservatives graduated from. :D
You really need to get over your "liberalism-is-the-cause-of-all-evil" mindset. It's a very binary view of the world.

OK Genius, then tell us what the real downfall of Detroit was.

[speechlesstx]

In this case it's true . I think my idea is a good one ... Great nations always leave behind the ruins of their collapse . We could call it the FDR park .

Fabulous idea.

[smoothy]

With a runner up name of Barrak Obama Park... that can be his legacy.

[NeedKarma]

Fabulous idea.

Get a room.