[speechlesstx]

Ok.

[talaniman]

Again with the union crap, they did their job. We have so many regulations via OSHA, MSHA, etc. that that greedy business owner has to comply with and if they don't, they get smacked down. You forget, my business is safety and I work with a multitude of energy companies, construction businesses and a nuclear weapons facility. You don't get on their property without adhering to their safety requirements, so you can drop the "we must have unions to stay safe" nonsense - I KNOW what's required by the regulations and the corporations and it's mind boggling.

It was the unions who pushed those companies for industry safety standards because guy like you never would, and again you ignore the fact that you enjoy a union fought for pay scale.

You enjoy the effort of those who fought the battles you didn't want to, so get off the we don't need BS!!

But I'll bite, which safety standard are you saying is so unfair it needs to be stopped?

[tomder55]

Christie is a RINO who counts the emperor's hemorrhoids.

[speechlesstx]

It was the unions who pushed those companies for industry safety standards because guy like you never would, and again you ignore the fact that you enjoy a union fought for pay scale.

You enjoy the effort of those who fought the battles you didn't want to, so get off the we don't need BS!!

Spare me the BS, Tal. I have already multiple times acknowledged the union role in worker safety and wages. If that's what they were about then fine, but as I said before they are about pushing a liberal political agenda and fattening their own wallets. Look what they've done to Detroit, but you'll blame that on greedy corporations because you have tunnel vision.

Unions are UNNECESSARY, we have a government nanny now and I will not genuflect to the union gods who themselves worship at the Democratic altar. If you don't like it, get over it. I don't expect you to worship conservatism.

But I'll bite, which safety standard are you saying is so unfair it needs to be stopped?

Yet another total misrepresentation of what I said. The term was "mind boggling." Look it up.

[excon]

Hello again,

What thread is this? Does it make a difference?? I don't think so...

Having said that, I wonder what you wingers think about the policeman's union? It keeps cops on the beat who BEAT people up. You know, tough cops. Don't right wingers support TOUGH cops? Should the union represent THEM?

Personally, I HATE the policeman's union... Until recently, that union DUPED the city into paying its president's SALARY because he was a uniformed cop.. But, his FULL TIME job was to run the union...

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again,

What thread is this?? Does it make a difference??? I don't think so...

Having said that, I wonder what you wingers think about the policeman's union? It keeps cops on the beat who BEAT people up. You know, tough cops. Don't right wingers support TOUGH cops? Should the union represent THEM?

Personally, I HATE the policeman's union... Until recently, that union DUPED the city into paying its president's SALARY because he was a uniformed cop.. But, his FULL TIME job was to run the union...

excon

That's the union's job, keep people in their jobs no matter how badly they suck at them to keep collecting those union dues to spend on Democrats, bus trips to harass people and stuff in their leader's wallets. What, you thought they were about safety and all that, too?

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

You hit the nail on the head... I've NEVER been thrilled about them. When a job I wanted required union membership, BECAUSE I didn't have a family member in the union, they wouldn't let me join...

Nonetheless, unions are the ONLY large organizations that contribute to Democrats.. If they were gone, the field would be left to the Koch brothers and the Karl Rove types. That's what the PURPOSE of Citizens United was, wasn't it - to give the MONEYED interests a clear playing field?

So, as much as I HATE the unions, as long as they're the ONLY voice of the left, they'll GET my support..

Now, repeal Citizens United, and I'll get behind ending the unions..

excon

[tomder55]

Doesn't matter that public service unions represent the largest unionized work force in the country(The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that, in 2009, for the first time ever, more public-sector employees (7.9 million) than private-sector employees (7.4 million) belonged to unions. )...

Or that public employees should not have union representation at all.
(even FDR understood that ).

[speechlesstx]

LOL, you are seriously deluded if you think (or want us to) unions are the only large organization that contributes to Democrats. I guess you forget how much money Soros, his buddy and MoveOn alone spend on Dems and liberal/progressive advocacy. Gimme a break, we're not that stupid and that's really rich coming from the guy who voted for the first billion dollar candidate.

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

If you want MY support at ending EVEN that behemoth, then call for a repeal of Citizens United..

At LEAST the leaders of the union are elected. IF their members didn't like who the union supported, the could VOTE that leadership out, and put in their own. The people who work for corporations have NO vote in how their corporation spends the money THEY contribute and/or make for their employer.

Do you really want to leave our elections to the MONEYED class?? You CAN'T believe they have YOUR interests at heart... Can you?

excon

[tomder55]

Hello again, tom:

If you want MY support at ending EVEN that behemoth, then call for a repeal of Citizens United..

At LEAST the leaders of the union are elected. IF their members didn't like who the union supported, the could VOTE that leadership out, and put in their own. The people who work for corporations have NO vote in how their corporation spends the money THEY contribute and/or make for their employer.

Do you really want to leave our elections to the MONEYED class??? You CAN'T believe they have YOUR interests at heart... Can you??

excon

I wonder how you could think the rank and file "vote " for their leadership when there is no secret ballot in the union movement. The Iranians hold more honest elections.

[tomder55]

You talk about the moneyed class when you have the public unions contributing to politicians who make laws that set their salaries ? Talk about a conflict of interest !

[smoothy]

Um Ex... are you aware voting for the union leadership is exactly like "Elections" in the old Soviet Union. The only people that even get a shot at an office are a union insider...

They first worry about their friends in their favorite offices in their local... and everyone else gets the crumbs of what's left.

And we are talking large well known unions... that everyone has heard of.

[excon]

Hello again, righty's:

Read my Lips.. If you want ME to throw unions under the bus, and I WILL, then throw Citizens United under the bus..

But, you can stop telling me how bad unions are.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, righty's:

Read my Lips.. If you want ME to throw unions under the bus, and I WILL, then throw Citizens United under the bus..

But, you can stop telling me how bad unions are.

excon

As long as Tal expects me to genuflect to the union gods I will call them the cancer that they are.

[tomder55]

I'd say Citizens United leveled the playing field especially in regards to public unions ,who "negotiate " their salaries with the same pols they bribe with campaign contributions... salaries that are paid for with tax dollars .

[excon]

Hello again:

It seems to me that a conservative would be supportive of conserving one of our oldest institutions, the Post Office. But, they don't. They actually HATE it. I have a feeling, though, that they'd LOVE it, if it weren't unionized..

Would I be close?

excon

[smoothy]

THe Post office is an exaple of PC run amuk.

Try and get a job there if you aren't a War Vet, a minority or a woman...

A Black woman Vet with an IQ of 70 would get the job before Albert Einstien would because of perferential points given for each of those three categories.

It's a prime example of why Afirmative action is actually reverse racism.

[talaniman]

Yeah why should a dumb black woman who has served her country have a job at the post office when all those smart white guys need a job?

Is that really your position?

[tomder55]

Hello again:

It seems to me that a conservative would be supportive of conserving one of our oldest institutions, the Post Office. But, they don't. They actually HATE it. I have a feeling, though, that they'd LOVE it, if it weren't unionized..

Would I be close?

excon

The Postal Service can't compete in it's primary function. Why would we keep it going except to give more people government jobs ? It would be very simple for them to compete if they ever actually operated as a real business. Here's one example . It costs me the same postage to mail a letter to my neighbor as it does to send one cross country to you. Why ? Private carrier services figured out a long time ago to zone rates.
The truth is that their service is rapidly becoming a dinosaur. With e-mail and on-line payments ,most of the mail I receive is junk mailers that are quicky discarded unread. So the question remains . So we need it ? A service like the Post Office is clearly constitutional and made sense in the horse and buggy days . It is much harder to justify it's continued existence.