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excon · Apr 30, 2013, 06:57 AM

Hello again, Steve:

I'm NOT reading the gory details you post. It SICKENS me. That you've found 4 OTHER monsters, does NOT make a trend.

Next.

excon

smoothy · Apr 30, 2013, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, smoothy:
This, along with MOST things you post, come right out of your a$$.

excon

I learned that from you. You are after all one of the masters.

speechlesstx · Apr 30, 2013, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

I'm NOT reading the gory details you post. It SICKENS me. That you've found 4 OTHER monsters, does NOT make a trend.

Next.

excon

It must really pi$$ you off then that it's a female liberal that's doing all the legwork here. Or is Powers just showing her true colors?

talaniman · Apr 30, 2013, 07:27 AM

I have always been for strict clear rules of acceptable behavior for everybody, even the rich guys the right allows to rob us.

speechlesstx · Apr 30, 2013, 07:35 AM

What about the rich guys the left allows to rob us? You can't get a better example of crony capitalism than Zero himself, but this is about the horrors being perpetrated against women and children and regulatory failure. I agree with the PA Dem that said, "the institution was more important than the individual lives." That's twice I've agreed with libs/dems today.

smoothy · Apr 30, 2013, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

What about the rich guys the left allows to rob us? You can't get a better example of crony capitalism than Zero himself, but this is about the horrors being perpetrated against women and children and regulatory failure. I agree with the PA Dem that said, "the institution was more important than the individual lives." That's twice I've agreed with libs/dems today.

YOU mean like Mr. I-pay-18.4%-tax Obama... George Soros and the Hollywood syndicate?

talaniman · Apr 30, 2013, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

What about the rich guys the left allows to rob us? You can't get a better example of crony capitalism than Zero himself, but this is about the horrors being perpetrated against women and children and regulatory failure. I agree with the PA Dem that said, "the institution was more important than the individual lives." That's twice I've agreed with libs/dems today.

I assume you apply that to the victims of regulatory failure in West, TX?

tomder55 · Apr 30, 2013, 08:01 AM

That would be your assumption . I haven't read anything yet that places a cause for the fire.

speechlesstx · Apr 30, 2013, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

I assume you apply that to the victims of regulatory failure in West, TX?

OSHA hadn't been there for 20 years. If they were supposed to then they dropped the ball.

DOT was there in 2011 which sounds about right, and found 2 violations. Some nurse tanks were missing placards and they needed a security plan. Both were corrected and they were fined $5250.00.

Unless you know of something else I can't comment other than they had no OSHA safety inspection but the agency that governs them said their faults were corrected after a modest fine.

Your turn.

talaniman · Apr 30, 2013, 09:11 AM

History of Safety Violations at Texas Fertilizer Plant | Care2 Causes

The EPA also expressed concerns about the West Fertilizer Company's Risk-Management Program (RMP), required for such facilities. These concerns included worries that the plan was outdated, and that it had no documentation regarding what it intended to do in order to address safety concerns. A new plan was filed five years later to get in compliance. Amazingly, the plant claimed that it didn't have any explosive or flammable materials on site, and didn't list fire among potential safety risks in the workplace.

Think this is bad? Ramit Plushnick-Masti and Jack Gillum, reporting for the AP, note that: “There were no sprinklers. No firewalls. No water deluge systems.” Without such basic fire suppression systems, once the plant started to go, it was almost unstoppable, and the fire spread quickly through the facility without any walls to keep it in check. This made the accident even more devastating than it could have been, and endangered the lives of first responders who arrived on scene to help victims.

Glad to get you started.

speechlesstx · Apr 30, 2013, 09:36 AM

The only relevant inspections to the blast would be those concerning workplace safety, which is OSHA and DOT. DOT, which governs hazardous materials was satisfied after their last inspection. Fire protection is within the purview of the authority having jurisdiction, whoever that may be in West, TX. I don't know what EPA fines have to do with the explosion, but feel free to count me as saying there was a failure somewhere, most likely with the plant owners and management more than anything. It sounds to me like they weren't as thorough in protecting workers and the community as they should have been and DOT and OSHA were their usual selves..

Again, your turn.

tomder55 · May 2, 2013, 10:00 AM

And yet another "exception" .
Investigation #3: Arizona

excon · May 2, 2013, 10:04 AM

Hello again, tom:

I haven't been keeping up, but it looks like you're blaming the regulators for not regulating HARD enough (which is a switch). It also looks like you're giving the owners a pass. Do I have that right?

excon

tomder55 · May 2, 2013, 10:34 AM

Giving the owners a pass ? Hardly . No I don't think this is about lack of regulation . I think this is the industry as it really is... not that much different than the back alley coat hanger approach. They just have nicer offices.
No I think it's the law that would allow this that if horribly flawed.

speechlesstx · May 2, 2013, 10:59 AM

Ex, you need to look back through this thread and see how many players KNEW about Gosnell but looked the other way. There's lots of blame to go around but no one wants to take responsibility and the rest are making excuses and offering pathetic "solutions" like needing MORE access to abortion for poor women so they can be victimized, too.

Open your eyes, the war on women you b*tched about for the last year is being exposed right in front of your face. Are you going to look the other way, too?

speechlesstx · May 3, 2013, 08:34 AM

Did you know that as one Kermit Gosnell was facing murder charges for his house of horrors that the Sundance Film Festival was honoring four late-term abortionists in the film After Tiller? All of these "heroes" were taught by the slain abortionist, including one Leroy Carhart, the "butcher of Germantown."

As he was being honored, Carhart was "performing a third-trimester on a 29-year-old woman who was pronounced dead in a Germantown, Maryland hospital on February 7."

.. in 2009 several of Carhart's employees filed affidavits with the Nebraska State Attorney General's office with details on Carhart's practices. The attorney general and the Nebraska Department of health launched investigations into testimony "...of Carhart's unlicensed workers illegally performing medical tasks, illegal post-viability abortions, drug violations, financial malfeasance," and that there was often "dried blood on medical instruments." The testimony also indicated that Carhart "had poor hygiene and rarely washed his hands between patients."

Carhart was also implicated in the death of another woman at a Tiller clinic in 2005, be sure and read about that. The good "Dr" Carhart installed an incinerator at his own Kansas clinic to deal with all those late term babies he slaughtered. This only after a journalist took a picture of a dog eating a baby's corpse at the public incinerator where he was disposing of their bodies.

I can't wait for After Tiller to be released so I can see all about these "healthcare" "heroes."

speechlesstx · May 4, 2013, 04:47 AM

Yeah, Gosnell was just an outlier and the regulators are on the job, except he isn't and they aren't. Michigan, the next state to fail to protect women as with Pennsylvania, Delaware, NY, Virginia, Maryland...

Mentor clears doc in abortion complaint | WOOD TV8

excon · May 4, 2013, 06:30 AM

Hello again,

Maybe, in an atmosphere of abortion on demand, Gosnell would have been found out earlier... But, when the right wing is CLOSING abortion clinics as fast as they can, I can see the left wing supporting doctors who remain and are willing to fight... So much so, that they don't really look INTO the practices of those who remain...

I really don't know. But, if you're suggesting, and you are, that lefties KNEW he was a butcher and STILL supported him, I unambiguously, reject it.

excon

speechlesstx · May 4, 2013, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

Maybe, in an atmosphere of abortion on demand, Gosnell would have been found out earlier... But, when the right wing is CLOSING abortion clinics as fast as they can, I can see the left wing supporting doctors who remain and are willing to fight... So much so, that they don't really look INTO the practices of those who remain...

I really don't know. But, if you're suggesting, and you are, that lefties KNEW he was a butcher and STILL supported him, I unambiguously, reject it.

excon

No, making abortion more available is not the answer. If the government that can't fix potholes can't watch over the clinics open now you can't expect them watch more.

The only way you can reject the fact that these butchers were known and allowed to continue is to close your eyes and plug your ears. I have documented it throughout this thread, but you remain in denial about the ACTUAL war on women being waged under your nose.

talaniman · May 4, 2013, 06:52 AM

Its you who have denied women safe choices, so what's left? That right NO choice. That's what you wanted in the first place even though choice is a constitutionally protected right.

So much for your love of the constitution, and its obvious you think your rights are more important than the rights of others, especially women.