[tomder55]

So it's over reach to defend the nation against a nuclear strike ? OK then

[paraclete]

When has there been a nuclear strike other then those you perpetrated? You are paranoid, now I understand why this might be but paranoid nevertheless

[tomder55]

You are free to disregard the threats of dictators History has taught me to take what they say seriously .

[paraclete]

Tom NK is a freckless little country more trouble than it is worth, even it's ally China has had enough, they don't want the possibility of a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula or to be drawn into a war with the US again. My nation is not the target of NK rhetoric, they have no reason to attack us, but as we take our seat on the security council that might change but there is no target their rockets might reach of real concern. If there is a concern it is that they will polarise the nations of the region and disrupt economic activity

[tomder55]

You live on the edge of a tinderbox about the explode and you don't even know it.

[paraclete]

What we would hope is you don't throw oil on the fire

[tomder55]

The New York Slimes says that South Korea is talking about developing its own nuclear arsenal.

Opinions like Mr. Kwon's appear to be spreading. Two opinion polls conducted after the third test, one by Gallup Korea and the other by the Asan Institute for Policy Studies, found that 64 to 66.5 percent of the respondents supported the idea that South Korea should develop its own nuclear weapons, similar to polls after the Yeonpyeong attack in 2010.

“Having a nuclear North Korea is like facing a person holding a gun with just your bare hands,” said Mr. Kwon, the engineer. South Koreans should have “our own nuclear capabilities, in case the U.S. pulls out like it did in Vietnam.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/11/wo...pagewanted=all

Why after more than 50 years does South Korea suddenly have these doubts? Why after more than half a century, despite a Peace Constitution, is Japan de facto re-arming? What has changed?
That type of proliferation will happen if the US isn't seen as a credible deterent to the NORKS and China .

[speechlesstx]

The New York Slimes says that South Korea is talking about developing its own nuclear arsenal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/11/wo...pagewanted=all

Why after more than 50 years does South Korea suddenly have these doubts? Why after more than half a century, despite a Peace Constitution, is Japan de facto re-arming? What has changed?
That type of proliferation will happen if the US isn't seen as a credible deterent to the NORKS and China .

Never fear, Susan Rice may be coming to the rescue...

Susan Rice as national security adviser? U.N. ambassador said to be front-runner

[tomder55]

She's on Youtube now looking for anti-Nork videos .

[speechlesstx]

She's on Youtube now looking for anti-Nork videos .

Preparation.

[paraclete]

Why after more than 50 years does South Korea suddenly have these doubts? Why after more than half a century, despite a Peace Constitution, is Japan de facto re-arming? What has changed?
That type of proliferation will happen if the US isn't seen as a credible deterent to the NORKS and China .

China has had a nuclear deterent for years it hasn't proven to be a problem, but the equation has changed for South Korea, with the north nuclear capable, the south feels threatened at a higher level and wants added assurance. There is obviously something nuts in the hermit kingdom and it has been there for a very long time

[tomder55]

It's not China's nukes... it's their growing naval capability ,and aggressive use of it in so called disputed territories. They are a threat to almost all their immediate neighbors from Tibet and India in the West ,to Japan and Taiwan in the East , AND every bordering nation in between

[paraclete]

it's not China's nukes ... it's their growing naval capability ,and aggressive use of it in so called disputed territories. They are a threat to almost all their immediate neighbors from Tibet and India in the West ,to Japan and Taiwan in the East , AND every bordering nation in between

Yes one aircraft carrier is a threat, Tibet doesn't exist tom and they have made no aggressive moves against India or any other nation in the west, Taiwan is an internal issue for the chinese and Japan are ancient enemies reinforced by their despicable actions before and during WWII. I am not really cocerned about some asian nations having at it Tom other than we have all put too much manufacturing capacity in the hands of China. The US needs to be very afraid of an asian war, not because they might attack you but because it will devistate your economy

[tomder55]

Tibet doesn't exist tom

I see what side you're on in their brutal suppression of Tibet.. They don't exist ?Tell that to the hundred+ monks who have self immolated in protest. Hmm maybe that news is being suppressed in the Aussie press like here. Yeah I know . The Chi-coms think they can wait out the Dalai Lama ,and all will be forgotten .

[paraclete]

Tom Tibet was annexed sixty years ago and I didn't see the US stepping in to stop it, the way it works in China is if you don't stir up the nationalist and separatist thing then you don't have trouble, yes it was unfortunate China annexed Tibet I expect you would like them to give back parts of sichan and quinhi accuired centuries ago at the same time you might ask the Israeli to give back Golan. The problem is that the Tibetians lost the fight because they didn't have the military muscle to keep China out, and the world could care less, being otherwise occupied with korea, etc and no doubt there were lots of ancient claims. What I don't like is the hyprocracy of crying foul about the Tibetian people now because it is politically expedient to do so

[tomder55]

Just because they were annexed doesn't mean they don't exist . The Dalai Lama had a gun held to his hand when he signed to country over to China. During the Great Leap Forward between 200,000 and 1,000,000 Tibetans died. So no I do not recognize Chinese sovereignty .

[paraclete]

Stop rewriting history Tom, in any case this thread is not about Tibet but North Korea and the latest is they are going to rein bullets, not nukes. The whole country is off their face with propaganda and there are people who actually want to revive the Korean War. You would think a couple of wars recently would have taught them something, but then, I expect they have been too busy building bombs and holding parades to impress the dear leader to learn lessons in military strategy

[tomder55]

New York Slimes noted that 2/3 of South Koreans now support developing their own nuclear deterrent.

Beyond the immediate fear of a military provocation, analysts say deeper anxieties are also at work in the South. One of the biggest is the creeping resurgence of old fears about the reliability of this nation's longtime protector, the United States. Experts say the talk of South Korea's acquiring nuclear weapons is an oblique way to voice the concerns of a small but growing number of South Koreans that the United States, either because of budget cuts or a lack of will, may one day no longer act as the South's ultimate insurance policy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/11/wo...anted=all&_r=0

They join current allies Japan, the Philippines, Taiwan, who are beginning to realize that the under Emperor Zero ,they are on their own. In the Middle East ,they confront a similar problem as the 12ers continue to develop their nuke program virtually undeterred .
Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia, who could easily go nuclear if they choose. So the only thing that is preventing proliferation beyond everyone's imagination is what's left of the promise of an American defense umbrella.

Oh did you hear that Obama is unilaterally dismantling the American nuclear capability ?
The David Sanger of the Slimes reported the day before the SOTU that the administration is looking to cut the current nuclear force down 30 percent.

The nuclear reduction plan has been debated inside the administration for two years, and the options have been on Mr. Obama's desk for months. But the document was left untouched through the presidential election. The president wanted to avoid making the reductions a campaign issue with Mitt Romney...

Politics

So at a time where our allies are questioning our commitment to their defense ;where Zero has demonstrated a preference to retreat ,or at best lead from behind ;a time where he has proven his desire to gut the US military ,including the nuclear deterrence ;does it surprise anyone that the forces of evil are emboldened ?

[paraclete]

Wouldn't worry Tom you have more than enough nuclear capability to kill us all

[tomder55]

With Obama depleting existing stock and not even upgrading what's left ;we will have about 1000 aged and deteriorating nukes for our umbrella .