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excon · Feb 26, 2013, 09:11 AM

Hello smear:

I am just trying to understand why it becomes so easy here as opposed to "over there".

Couple things...

If we're attacked "over here", it'll be viewed as just another terrorist attack like Tim McVey perpetrated on us. I didn't see a right wing call to arms when we put him to death.

Plus, I don't know why you'd think that the present group of right wing extremist's are ANY different than McVey, unless you're one of 'em.

Excon

tomder55 · Feb 26, 2013, 09:19 AM

Who initiated the searches at the airports? And they have inconvenienced millions to accomplish what?

Well to start ;we haven't had another 9-11 type terrorist attack succeed .

Wondergirl · Feb 26, 2013, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

well to start ;we haven't had another 9-11 type terrorist attack succeed .

That's not because of airport searches.

tomder55 · Feb 26, 2013, 09:51 AM

Of course it is. Terrorist know that the chances of such an attack succeeding are virtually nil.

speechlesstx · Feb 26, 2013, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

That's not because of airport searches.

That's like saying no one is deterred by our concealed carry law.

Wondergirl · Feb 26, 2013, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

That's like saying no one is deterred by our concealed carry law.

WHO is allowed concealed carry? No just anybody, I'm guessing.

(It's snowing and sleeting in Chicagoland. Thanks for sending it our way.)

speechlesstx · Feb 26, 2013, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

WHO is allowed concealed carry? No just anybody, I'm guessing.

(It's snowing and sleeting in Chicagoland. Thanks for sending it our way.)

The point is guessing who may be packing.

Wondergirl · Feb 26, 2013, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

The point is guessing who may be packing.

I realize that. What are the requirements to allow it?

Do the bad guys really think about this? I would guess most don't consider consequences, but go for instant gratification.

speechlesstx · Feb 26, 2013, 10:31 AM

TxDPS - Concealed Handgun Licensing

I don't know what bad guys think, but I'm guessing they don't want to get shot.

Wondergirl · Feb 26, 2013, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

TxDPS - Concealed Handgun Licensing

I don't know what bad guys think, but I'm guessing they don't want to get shot.

Thanks for the link. No, the bad guys don't think that far ahead. Don't give them the brain they don't have.

smoothy · Feb 26, 2013, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

WHO is allowed concealed carry? No just anybody, I'm guessing.

(It's snowing and sleeting in Chicagoland. Thanks for sending it our way.)

Actually more than you think... most of the Country isn't as draconian as Illinois... particularly Chicago.

THere are a lot of "SHALL ISSUE" states... Virginia being one I know well. If you apply for a Conciel carry permit... they leterally HAVE to give it to you unless they can produce some proof why you should not legally.

Literally if you pass a check to buy a handgun... you meet the requirements for a permit.

I would have one if I didn't cross three state lines frequently.

Also... I can open carry without a permit in VA.

YOu might be thinking about "MAY ISSUE" states that make it difficult for even people who have to carry lare sums of money to the bank for a business to get one. Of course these are states that have the highest crime rates because criminals can safely assume the odds are their victim is unarmed.

Wondergirl · Feb 26, 2013, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by smoothy

Also....I can open carry without a permit in VA.

Because of your good looks -- or something else?

smoothy · Feb 26, 2013, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Because of your good looks -- or something else?

Because I have no criminal history... and no history of mental issues.

That means they would legally HAVE to give me one if I applied.

Wondergirl · Feb 26, 2013, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by smoothy

Because I have no criminal history...and no history of mental issues.

That means they would legally HAVE to give me one if I applied.

Who is "they"? How do you get an app? File/send it where?

smoothy · Feb 26, 2013, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Who is "they"? How do you get an app? File/send it where?

Applications are processed by the Sherrifs Dept of the County you reside in. At least in VA.

Yes you do have to fill out and sumbit the required application forms... they will vary State by state as they are not under Federal Jurisdiction.

smearcase · Feb 26, 2013, 01:09 PM

Some states require gun safety course completion, some do (or used to) accept proof of military experience in lieu of the course, and some (and maybe it varies by county) don't require any training like my county in PA.

MD's cumbersome (may issue) policy was overturned by a Federal court quite a while ago but they haven't changed anything to my knowledge, except that their legislature is presently still in session for another month+ and trying their best to make buying/owning/carrying weapons as much more difficult as possible.

From ABC news ref. MD Gov. O'Malley plans:
"It would also limit the size of magazines and, among the tougher proposals, would include a requirement for most prospective gun buyers to provide fingerprints to state police, undergo a background check and complete a mandatory gun-safety course in order to obtain an owner's permit. "

And possibly getting set to lose some good jobs:
Beretta USA Threatening To Leave Maryland Over Gun Control Legislation

smoothy · Feb 26, 2013, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by smearcase

Some states require gun safety course completion, some do (or used to) accept proof of military experience in lieu of the course, and some (and maybe it varies by county) don't require any training like my county in PA.

MD's cumbersome (may issue) policy was overturned by a Federal court quite a while ago but they haven't changed anything to my knowledge, except that their legislature is presently still in session for another month+ and trying their best to make buying/owning/carrying weapons as much more difficult as possible.

from ABC news ref. MD Gov. O'Malley plans:
"It would also limit the size of magazines and, among the tougher proposals, would include a requirement for most prospective gun buyers to provide fingerprints to state police, undergo a background check and complete a mandatory gun-safety course in order to obtain an owner's permit. "

And possibly getting set to lose some good jobs:
Beretta USA Threatening To Leave Maryland Over Gun Control Legislation

And hopefully they move to gun and Second Amendment rights friendly Virginia. Which also has lower taxes.

speechlesstx · Feb 26, 2013, 02:06 PM

They're all welcome in Texas.

Wondergirl · Feb 26, 2013, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by smoothy

Applications are processed by the Sherrifs Dept of the County you reside in. At least in VA.

Yes you do have to fill out and sumbit the required application forms....they will vary State by state as they are not under Federal Jurisdiction.

Thanks, smoothy and SC. Illinois is wrestling with concealed carry right now and arguing about where it should be forbidden (public transportation, schools, hospitals, libraries, etc.).

smoothy · Feb 26, 2013, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Thanks, smoothy and SC. Illinois is wrestling with concealed carry right now and arguing about where it should be forbidden (public transportation, schools, hospitals, libraries, etc.).

There are places here in VA you can't carry... like a Court... etc... but unless its specifically prohibited.. then its considered allowed.