[Wondergirl]

So let's spoil it all with oil rigs and above-ground pipelines and gravel pits and fracking plains?

It's like gun control--once you start taking away, where will it stop?

[tomder55]

I think those activities leave less of a fingerprint on the land than massive solar farms and wind farms that lose half the energy they produce in transmission .

So ;when are you going to move into an energy efficient yurt ?

[speechlesstx]

You just can't make this stuff up... it just baffles me how he gets away with this BS.

Obama Angrily Denounces His Own Idea

And who, pray tell, is primarily responsible for these "not smart , not fair," job-destroying, chaos-creating cuts? Over to you, liberal reporter Bob Woodward:

"It was the White House. It was Obama and Jack Lew and Rob Nabors who went to the Democratic Leader in the Senate, Harry Reid, and said, '[the sequester] is the solution.'"

Woodward went on to say that "everyone has their fingerprints" on the package of cuts -- which is true to a large extent. The idea was the Obama administration's brain child, they proposed it, members of both parties in both houses voted for the 2011 debt deal (in which the sequester was embedded), and the president affixed his signature to it. He also threatened to veto Republicans' attempts to make the cuts more responsible and targeted. But now, as Obama tells it, America faces a sequester-induced apocalypse, and it's all the GOP's fault. Criminals will run free. Airport delays will get worse. Fires will burn unfought. Puppies will go uncuddled. All because Republicans are willing to allow the president's own proposal to go into effect.

Whining and whimpering about his own plan. Yes sir, policies have consequences.

[tomder55]

Very simple... the President has yet to propose so called 'responsible " cuts . Oh they get orgasmic over the defense cuts ;but nothing else is on their agenda. It's always expand the government .

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

the President has yet to propose so called 'responsible " cuts .

He's not going to either.. IF he does, the Republicans will tear it apart... This ISN'T about plans, or details.. It's STILL about politics...

Obama 2.0 is NOT going to give an inch... It's been said that he wants to DESTROY the Republican party... Pansy lefty's say, NO, that's not true, he wants to govern... But, it's TRUE, all right.. And he's going to DO it. He's RIGHT. It SHOULD be done. They're worthless.

Payback is b1tch...

Excon

[talaniman]

How cynical. You really think after being an unrelenting target of right wing rock throwing for 4 years he is going to give you more rocks to throw?

Already the repubs have tipped their hand with the rebuttal to the SOTU speech they had ready to go before he even delivered the speech, confirming Kerry with no problem at State, and holding up Hagle and Brennan over Benghazi, which is the domain of state.

Then leave town while another crisis they manufactured the sequester, looms ahead at the end of the month. More egregious is Rubio announcing how dead on arrival the Presidents's immigration bill is and it's the same as his own.

That's unmitigated gall to demand he lead, so you can take target practice and blame him because repubs have done NOTHING.

[tomder55]

and holding up Hagle and Brennan over Benghazi, which is the domain of state.

Bwaaaahaaahaaahaaa! Well yes of course they'd like us to believe that the issue with Benghazi was a State Dept failure. But you and I know it goes much deeper than that.

Then leave town while another crisis they manufactured the sequester, looms ahead at the end of the month

No ,the President is back from his golf junket with Tiger .

That's unmitigated gall to demand he lead,

I am going to keep that quote handy... yeah we are showing gall expecting the President to lead.

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

yeah we are showing gall expecting the President to lead.

As though you'll FOLLOW his lead... You don't want him to lead.. You want him to put his balls on the table so you can CHOP 'em off.

Well, it AIN'T happening... He's GOT your balls in his clutch instead, and he's SQUEEZING. I'm LIKING it.

Bwa, ha ha ha ha ha.

Excon

[talaniman]

QUOTE by tomder,
Bwaaaahaaahaaahaaa! Well yes of course they'd like us to believe that the issue with Benghazi was a State Dept failure. But you and I know it goes much deeper than that.

Two hostages are better than one right? Imean how doyou demand answers without going to the meetings? Kerry pointed that out during his hearings, so why even ask the questions of rhse who weren't there. McCain even admitted it was a partisan witch hunt, He said of Hagle, "He was a bad boy when he was a republican".

No ,the President is back from his golf junket with Tiger .

A break from republican rock throwing?

I am going to keep that quote handy... yeah we are showing gall expecting the President to lead.

For 4 years he has said lets go, and for 4 years repubs have said NO! Then they go home and leave the work behind. Love to see some town hall meetings from the constituents back home. The big stall will bite you.

[speechlesstx]

For 4 years he has said lets go, and for 4 years repubs have said NO! Then they go home and leave the work behind. Love to see some town hall meetings from the constituents back home. The big stall will bite you.

Still with that meme, eh? What's funny to me, besides the fact that he can't get his own party to do his bidding or pass a budget for that matter, is you can't see the absurdity of throwing a tantrum over the possibility his own idea may actually take effect.

[talaniman]

Tantrum?? Me?? Not likely, I have thrived and survived no matter what you guys are hollering your gloom and doom about, and the blame game that only fools YOU.

You better listen when I tell you to rise above your own fear or drown in your own crap. Its bad enough to isolate yourself from the facts, but far worse to be alone. Compromise guy, we all thrive.

[tomder55]

The President was for the sequester before he was against it .
Remember when President Obama supported the sequester cuts? - YouTube

“My message to them is simple: No. I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts to domestic and defense spending. There will be no easy off ramps on this one"(November 21, 2011)

[tomder55]

The sad part is that I agreed with the President... The sequesters should happen. The problem is that as President ,he set no priorities on what should be trimmed from the various budgets. But he let lard a$$es like Leon Panetta sit around for almost a year making no budgetary decisions. Now he thinks Hagel can manage it?? PLEEESE!! Hagel will just blame the "Jewish lobby"(his words ) while he sucks up to Iran.

[tomder55]

$2.7 trillion in revenue in 2013 and about $3.8 trillion in spending.

$85 billion in sequester cuts represents a 2.2 percent reduction in spending in 2013, or less than half of one percent of the $16.5 trillion federal debt.
This is just a rounding error ;and yet the President runs around the country like the sky is falling.
The House passed legislation twice last year that would replace across-the-board cuts. The Senate hasn't passed a budget in years.

[speechlesstx]

Tantrum??? Me??? Not likely, I have thrived and survived no matter what you guys are hollering your gloom and doom about, and the blame game that only fools YOU..

You better listen when I tell you to rise above your own fear or drown in your own crap. Its bad enough to isolate yourself from the facts, but far worse to be alone. Compromise guy, we all thrive

LOL, Obama is the one throwing a tantrum, hollering doom and gloom and blaming others for his own policy. Geez Tal, keep up.

[smoothy]

The Senate hasn't passed a budget in years.

Prince Harry the Obtuse hasn't allowed a single House passed Budget to even come up for a vote since The Messiah took office LAST election.

[talaniman]

LOL, Obama is the one throwing a tantrum, hollering doom and gloom and blaming others for his own policy. Geez Tal, keep up.

Telling America to be forewarned about republican intransigence is not a tantrum, it's a public service, Like the ride of Paul Revere.

Prince Harry the Obtuse hasn't allowed a single House passed Budget to even come up for a vote since The Messiah took office LAST election.

Filibuster in the United States Senate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On December 6, 2012, another milestone in filibuster history was reached when Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Senate Minority Leader, became the first senator to filibuster his own proposal, though he did not give a lengthy speech, instead merely invoking the rules of filibuster on his bill to raise the passage threshold to 60 votes. McConnell had attempted to force the opposition Democrats, who had a majority in the Senate, to refuse to pass what would have been a politically-costly measure that would nonetheless solve the current ongoing debt ceiling deadlock; when Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) elected to call a vote on the proposal regardless, McConnell immediately invoked the rules regarding filibusters on his proposal, effectively engaging in the first self-filibuster in Senate history.

You guys are very good at what you do, obstuct, delay, and stall. Governance though, not so good.

[tomder55]

Where is the budget from the Senate ? You deflected ;but did not answer. No , the Repubics did not block a vote on the budget... but nice try.

[speechlesstx]

Telling America to be forewarned about republican intransigence is not a tantrum, its a public service, Like the ride of Paul Revere.
.

Your answer is totally devoid of reality. Obama is "forewarning" (fear mongering) about his own plan, Tal. Republicans did their part with the revenue part, raising taxes Time for Obama to do his part on meaningful spending cuts or HIS SEQUESTER PLAN takes effect. I don't know what you're missing about Obama suddenly not liking his own plan, which Republicans agreed to.

What do you not get about reaching an agreement then Obama calling foul on his own plan?

[tomder55]

As for McConnell.. he introduced an unconstitutional bill to allow the President to raise the debt ceiling on his own without Congressional consent.. It was a goofy proposal from a beltway goofball. He never thought Reid was goofy enough to bring it to the floor. But Reid proved him wrong.