[talaniman]

Dems talk is my way or the highway. That's one reason we want guns.

Funny that's what we say about the TParty. And if guns are YOUR solution to our problems, we are screwed.

Even Tom agrees with some reasonable ideas we share. I mean background checks for every purchase is good isn't it? You know weed the honest citizens from the NOT so honest ones?

What's wrong with that?

[speechlesstx]

Funny thats what we say about the TParty. And if guns are YOUR solution to our problems, we are screwed.

Even Tom agrees with some reasonable ideas we share. I mean background checks for every purchase is good isn't it? You know weed the honest citizens from the NOT so honest ones?

Whats wrong with that?

I don't trust the government to come up with reasonable solutions. Period. I've been trying to navigate the federal government and two state governments for weeks now and the best I can surmise is they don't want to help my WWII vet dad, they'd rather let him die and take all of his money and family land and property in the process. They damn sure don't want to help my daughter, they've literally f**ked up everything in her case and just plain don't give a sh*t, leaving us all high and dry and costing me money I don't have because of their incompetency. So no, I don't look for the government to make this issue any better either.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

I don't trust the government to come up with reasonable solutions. Period.

You confuse me with someone who LIKES the government... Nonetheless, MY solutions to our problems do NOT include arming myself. I'm a patriot. I don't know WHO I'd be arming myself AGAINST, if not my fellow Americans...

DOES that make me BETTER than you? Yup!

Excon

[talaniman]

I am more than a bit frustrated by the BS myself. Lots of red tape to cut through at the moment. Lots of stupid people who don't help. I kind of feel you right now.

Keep pushing though for your family. Never quit. Good luck.

[Wondergirl]

they don't want to help my WWII vet dad, they'd rather let him die and take all of his money and family land and property in the process.

If he's a vet, the VA should be right there in his corner. I dealt with them for years with no problem. A real person even answers the phone (no stupid menu system).

They damn sure don't want to help my daughter

How about finding an advocate for her and for your dad? A counselor or social worker?

Okay, everyone. Go back to the topic of this thread. Sorry to divert.

[speechlesstx]

If he's a vet, the VA should be right there in his corner. I dealt with them for years with no problem. A real person even answers the phone (no stupid menu system).

How about finding an advocate for her and for your dad? A counselor or social worker?

Okay, everyone. Go back to the topic of this thread. Sorry to divert.

Trust me, the VA is not in his corner. They're the ones (a real person) that made us get him out of there and into a private "rehab" center.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

You confuse me with someone who LIKES the government... Nonetheless, MY solutions to our problems do NOT include arming myself. I'm a patriot. I dunno WHO I'd be arming myself AGAINST, if not my fellow Americans...

DOES that make me BETTER than you? Yup!!

excon

My solution isn't arming myself either, it's protecting the constitutional rights this admin is all too eager to take away.

[talaniman]

So I can get a cannon or howitzer for my front yard, and be within my rights. Having limits that are reasonable is NOT infringing on your rights.

[tomder55]

And now a rebuttal from other Aussies .
https://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=fGaDAThOHhA

[tomder55]

Well that was bound to happen .

home in New York's Westchester County (pictured above) that was identified in The Journal News' infamous interactive map outlining gun permit holders last month was burglarized on Saturday, local TV station WDEF reported. The thieves' target? The homeowner's gun safe, officials said.

Home in The Journal News Gun Map Targeted for Gun Robbery | AOL Real Estate

I don't suppose they will ever identify homes that were broken into that were not on the interactive map of gun owners.

[paraclete]

and now a rebuttal from other Aussies .
https://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=fGaDAThOHhA

Absolute american gun lobby propaganda, yes some people didn't want to loose their prescious guns but the result was we have been safer, no massacres. I don't say we don't have lawlessness, but guns don't feature in it to the extent it does in the US. Our experience has proven, take away the semi automatic weapons and the community is safer. Only yesterday there was a community dispute and riot in Logan Queensland. No guns because the community isn't allowed guns. Had it been in the US someone would have died

We had a collector/dealer caught with 1,400 illegal weapons recently, absolutely no reason to possess such an arsenal. I know personally how guns can be stolen and used in crime. If the guns weren't in the community they cannot be taken and they cannot be used. So what I say to you is learn from others' experience, 270,000,000 guns is 270,000,000 to many

[Tuttyd]

and now a rebuttal from other Aussies .
https://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=fGaDAThOHhA

Tom, don't you even feel a little embarrassed by posting this garbage. I've seen some pretty bad ones, but this takes the cake.

Let's have a look at it.

'Australia Protests Gun Ban' No, Australia doesn't do anything of the sort. Some of the 5 percent of Australians who own firearms are protesting.

Despite the American commentary trying to depict the government as mounting some sort of attack on our rights ( similar to the attack on your rights), the fact is we don't have a 2nd amendment. Australians who own a gun don't have a right to it. Owning a gun in Australia is a privilege not a right. This is dishonest.

"Armed robberies up 69 percent. ARMED with WHAT? The dishonest implication is that it is with a gun. I have already cited in a different post ( Australian Bureau of Criminology) whereby the vast majority of robberies of ANY SORT, are committed with a particular type of weapon. And that weapon is a knife.

More importantly, where is the source from which these figures are taken? There is none. At least I can direct anyone to my source. In exactly the same way as I can direct anyone to the Australian Institute of Criminology whence these figures were taken.

Between 1991 and 2001 there was a decrease in the number of deaths caused by firearms.

Firearms as a cause of death represent 4.2% of the 333 deaths caused by accidents, poisoning and violence.

I would go on but the rest is a perpetuation of the same type of dishonesty.

[paraclete]

Thanks Tutt, not content with polluting that failed libertarian experiment they call their own country with firearms, they want to pollute ours too

Here's another piece of violent americana exported to us
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-sho...115-2cr97.html

[talaniman]

NRA launches Practice Range gun app for children aged four and over | Information, Gadgets, Mobile Phones News & Reviews | thetelegraph.com.au

NRA launches shooting app for ages 4 and up - Salon.com

TRENDING: Poll: Gun control that Americans support – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Fifty-five percent favor a ban on assault style weapons, 54% back a ban on high capacity ammunition clips, and 53% support a ban on on-line ammunition sales, but again there's a wide partisan divide between Democrats and Republicans on these proposals.

[paraclete]

NRA launches Practice Range gun app for children aged four and over | Information, Gadgets, Mobile Phones News & Reviews | thetelegraph.com.au

NRA launches shooting app for ages 4 and up - Salon.com

TRENDING: Poll: Gun control that Americans support – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

There is always a wide partisan divide it is called protecting your own arse

[speechlesstx]

So I can get a cannon or howitzer for my front yard, and be within my rights. Having limits that are reasonable is NOT infringing on your rights.

As if people don't already build and shoot their own cannons?

[tomder55]

The seller of this App in the Apple iPhone App store is shown as MEDL Media, Inc. MEDL Media allows app developers to submit apps nearly anonymously and MEDL Media puts them in the Apple App store.

Why isn't Apple taking the heat for allowing this App on their I phones?

Also ,we all played arcade shooting games since we were kids . Where is the harm in one that shoots at targets ? I'd hardly compare this to Mortal Kombat ,Medal of Honor ,or Grand Theft Auto,

[talaniman]

Explaining away actions by capitalists only enforces the capitalists nature of the NRA and the true nature of their endeavors. Make money.

[tomder55]

Huh ?

[speechlesstx]

The seller of this App in the Apple iPhone App store is shown as MEDL Media, Inc. MEDL Media allows app developers to submit apps nearly anonymously and MEDL Media puts them in the Apple App store.

Why isn't Apple taking the heat for allowing this App on their I phones?

Also ,we all played arcade shooting games since we were kids . Where is the harm in one that shoots at targets ? I'd hardly compare this to Mortal Kombat ,Medal of Honor ,or Grand Theft Auto,

Not available for Android yet, I was going to give it a shot.