[tomder55]

Maybe Obama can borrow some of Romney's binders

[speechlesstx]

LOL, you really are stubborn, or stuck, I don't know which, but you dispute your own facts in the link YOU provided that includes condoms,and spermacides and that's what makes contraceptives universally available.

Stuck? I'm not the one working overtime trying to convince us that a contraceptive isn't really a contraceptive. But your side has issues with that, a conservative woman isn't really a woman, a conservative black isn't really black, and apparently some contraceptives aren't really contraceptives.

Nothing you've said changes the meaning of contraceptive use being "virtually universal."

I gave you a link to the job descriptions and titles as well as the pay, and they were well within equal work for equal pay standards so your race baiting is plain silly.

No more silly than being called a racist for saying the word "basketball" or "golf."

[excon]

Hello again,

[speechlesstx]

Hello again,

There you go again, we hate women and clean air, blah, blah, blah. I love both, I also love children... they aren't disposable.

[NeedKarma]

we hate women and clean air

No, the graphic is about about regulating. Where did you get "hate" from?

[talaniman]

I know you love kids Speech, and women too, but most of them want you to stay out of their business. The have a right to an abortion, you think they don't.

[tomder55]

And their children have a right to life.

[speechlesstx]

No, the graphic is about about regulating. Where did you get "hate" from?

Yes, anyone with half a brain knows that's the implication. Do you have at least half a brain?

Why do Republicans hate clean air, clean water?

Republicans Hate Clean Air And Water

Republicans Hate Women

Well over 93% of

Republicans lie (lie a lot)
Republicans hate fair pay for women
Republicans hate fair elections
Republicans hate socialist firemen
Republicans hate socialist teachers
Republicans hate socialist policemen
Republicans hate the middle class
Republicans hate the environment
Republicans hate clean water
Republicans hate clean air
Republicans hate the gays
Republicans hate women
Republicans hate abortions
Republicans hate contraception
Republicans hate social security
Republicans hate health care
Republicans hate healthy people
Republicans hate disabled people
Republicans hate war veterans
Republicans hate poor people
Republicans hate smart people
Republicans hate students
Republicans hate seniors
Republicans hate blacks
Republicans hate kenyans
Republicans hate mexicans
Republicans hate latinos
Republicans hate native americans
Republicans hate muslims
Republicans hate arabs
Republicans hate atheists
Republicans hate science
Republicans hate facts
Republicans hate art
Republicans hate libraries
Republicans hate government ?

[excon]

Hello tom;

and their children have a right to life.

Not according to present LAW.. I thought you wingers were the LAW and ORDER party. No, huh?? It depends on WHAT law, huh?

Didn't you tell me on another thread that law abiding right wingers would NEVER carry their weapons onto a NO GUN zone because they're soooooooo righteous and law abiding??

You DID tell me that... But, you wingers don't mind undermining a woman's LEGAL rights... How do you deal with THAT hypocrisy?

Excon

[tomder55]

What are you talking about ? I'm trying to change the law because the law is an unconstitutional violation of their baby's rights. What ? You don't think I have that right to have that opinion ;and to do what is in my power to change it ?

[NeedKarma]

Yes, anyone with half a brain knows that's the implication. Do you have at least half a brain?

You can divine implication all day but that doesn't make you right. The graphic clearly uses the word "regulate".

BTW your personal attacks are getting tedious, better tone it down.

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

You have the right to CHANGE the law through the legislative process. You DON'T have the right to pass laws that INTERFERE with SUPERIOR laws. That is just SO. THOSE laws are ALL UNCONSTITUTIONAL...

For example, there's some NEW anti abortion laws dealing with the physical parameters of the building.. The INTENT of those laws is to INTERFERE with a women's RIGHTS. It's NOT about buildings.

That isn't how we do things in this great land of ours.. In fact, those actions are UNCONSTITUTIONAL actions. Just like you're chipping away at the Civil Rights Act with voter suppression laws is UNCONSTITUTIONAL...

Law and order party... Yeah, right.

excon

[speechlesstx]

You can divine implication all day but that doesn't make you right. The graphic clearly uses the word "regulate".

BTW your personal attacks are getting tedious, better tone it down.

Yes master, it was just a question, don't be so sensitive.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, tom:

You have the right to CHANGE the law through the legislative process. You DON'T have the right to pass laws that INTERFERE with SUPERIOR laws. That is just SO. THOSE laws are ALL UNCONSTITUTIONAL...

So you agree the contraceptive mandate is unconstitutional, because my right to freedom of religion is SUPERIOR to regulatory overreach.

[talaniman]

I knew it, you think your rights are superior to a woman's rights. That's not so, sorry. The church is not the law, nor are your beliefs. Neither should be imposing their BELIEFS on others who have different beliefs.

We all have a right to practice our beliefs within the law. Women have a right to abortions, and insurance companies must provide contraceptives to those they cover. That's the law. And it was ruled constitutional despite your beliefs that it isn't.

You don't believe in contraceptives, then don't use them. Don't stop me though because I do believe in them as a better choice than abortions. Now if giving up MY rights as a condition of employment for the church, then pay me and I will get my own insurance that meets MY needs. Of course the church would never do something so reasonable because they rather you do as they say according to THEIR beliefs.

I don't believe the church or anyone's belief should be above the law. Especially when they disregard my rights under the law. That's religious OVER REACH in my book. How is that okay?

[speechlesstx]

I knew it, you think your rights are superior to a woman's rights. That's not so, sorry. The church is not the law, nor are your beliefs. Neither should be imposing their BELIEFS on others who have different beliefs.

We all have a right to practice our beliefs within the law. Women have a right to abortions, and insurance companies must provide contraceptives to those they cover. That's the law. And it was ruled constitutional despite your beliefs that it isn't.

You don't believe in contraceptives, then don't use them. Don't stop me though because I do believe in them as a better choice than abortions. Now if giving up MY rights as a condition of employment for the church, then pay me and I will get my own insurance that meets MY needs. Of course the church would never do something so reasonable because they rather you do as they say according to THEIR beliefs.

I don't believe the church or anyone's belief should be above the law. Especially when they disregard my rights under the law. That's religious OVER REACH in my book. How is that okay?

I've never seen such convoluted thinking, Tal, not to mention outright fantasy. It's as simple as this, I have a constitutional right to religious freedom.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

No one has a constitutional right to free contraceptives and again, you are the only one imposing anything on anyone by forcing the church to bow to the god of government and capitulate to YOUR beliefs.

I mean really, how do you come up with this nonsense?

[NeedKarma]

How is mandating insurance companies to carry contraceptives prohibiting the free exercise of your religion?

[Wondergirl]

How is mandating insurance companies to carry contraceptives prohibiting the free exercise of your religion?

... especially when it prohibits free exercise of mine.

[talaniman]

It's as simple as this, I have a constitutional right to religious freedom.

So do those who work for the church don't they?

No one has a constitutional right to free contraceptives and again,

They have a right to equal protection under the law.

you are the only one imposing anything on anyone by forcing the church to bow to the god of government and capitulate to YOUR beliefs.

The government is not a god, just a vehicle to write and apply the laws equally and protect ALL its citizens no matter what individual beliefs they have or don't have.

The law applies to employers with 50 employees. The church does take out payroll taxes don't they?? Stop crying until the exemption language comes out. Since you believe any bodies rights except yours and your church is a fantasy.

Fact is free contraceptives is a benefit of the insurance policy you have. The insurance policy is a benefit in place of cash/salary. Just saying.

[speechlesstx]

...especially when it prohibits free exercise of mine.

Exactly how does not buying your contraceptives prohibit your exercise of religion?