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Incomes have dropped more since the beginning of the recovery than they did during the recession itself, when they declined 2.6 percent, according to the report...

Yep, he's a smart guy.

But you say the rich are the job creators, wouldn't this be their fault?

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So all his focus on fairness, income inequality (redistribution), Yep, he's a smart guy.

Hello again, Steve:

Democrats have ALWAYS focused on fairness and income inequality... It's right wing gibberish to suggest that paying people the SAME wage for the SAME work is income redistribution... It's bizarre that you think that way.. But, in terms of FOCUS, he signed the Lilly Ledbetter law in his first month... There ain't been nothing since except a lot of screaming from the Limp one..

Frankly, suggesting the poor (47%) pay MORE in taxes so the rich can get another tax break is income redistribution...

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[tomder55]

Hello again, tom:

The Limp one needs an economics lesson... As a businessman, when I want to attract employees and new customers, I INVEST in my infrastructure. You know, clean up, fix up and paint up.. When things get rip roaring again, as they surly will, THAT'S the time to pay back my debt.

DURING my re-building faze, I'd cut, cut, cut programs that are wasteful and NOT necessary for my resurgence. That's the SMART way to go about it, and Obama IS smart.

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Well I can agree that's how you would do things . The President ? He has shown me nothing to indicate he plans on cutting anything . Everything he says and does indicates to me he is very comfortable growing the Federal government in size ,power ,and influence on American lives.

[tomder55]

Seems your Mother Jones leaked an incomplete video they called complete then recanted when challenged. Some selective editing there? Whether it changes anything or not where's the full context?????

Mother Milhous Jones.

[speechlesstx]

Mother Milhous Jones.

LOL, good one.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

Democrats have ALWAYS focused on fairness and income inequality... It's right wing gibberish to suggest that paying people the SAME wage for the SAME work is income redistribution... It's bizarre that you think that way..

It would be bizarre to think that way but I agree that would be gibberish. I don't think people should be paid less than others for the same work, that would be the White House that pays women less than their male counterparts.

But, in terms of FOCUS, he signed the Lilly Ledbetter law in his first month... There ain't been nothing since except a lot of screaming from the Limp one..

I already told you equal pay is the law of the land, it was passed in 1963. This Ledbetter thing is also law of the land, so what are you whining about?

Frankly, suggesting the poor (47%) pay MORE in taxes so the rich can get another tax break is income redistribution...

I think that's just hot air. What's not hot air is the principle that what's mine is mine, not yours. You lefties somehow don't get that.

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I think that's just hot air. What's not hot air is the principle that what's mine is mine, not yours. You lefties somehow don't get that.

Look speech I won't argue the concept that taxation is theft, it is purely and simply legalised theft. However, anarchy is not a pleasant system to live under so some compromises have to be made. When you elect a representative and that representative agrees to use taxation to provide services, under the system of government you have, that decision is as if you had made it yourself. It is apparent you only like majority rules when you are in the majority but it doesn't work that way. Where I come from we have a saying; the objective is to get as much fleece with the minimum of bleating, we see taxation as the equivalent of shearing sheep

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QUOTE by speechlesstx;It would be bizarre to think that way but I agree that would be gibberish. I don't think people should be paid less than others for the same work, that would be the White House that pays women less than their male counterparts.

We would have to look and see if indeed it was the same work or the same position.

I already told you equal pay is the law of the land, it was passed in 1963. This Ledbetter thing is also law of the land, so what are you whining about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilly_L...ay_Act_of_2009

The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 (Pub.L. 111-2, S. 181) is a federal statute in the United States that was the first bill signed into law by President Barack Obama on January 29, 2009. The Act amends the Civil Rights Act of 1964 stating that the 180-day statute of limitations for filing an equal-pay lawsuit regarding pay discrimination resets with each new paycheck affected by that discriminatory action. The law directly addressed Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. 550 U.S. 618 (2007), a U.S. Supreme Court decision that the statute of limitations for presenting an equal-pay lawsuit begins on the date that the employer makes the initial discriminatory wage decision, not at the date of the most recent paycheck.

They changed the old law to make it fair for the injured party. Get your facts straight. Of course most repubs were against it, but please read the whole thing.

(on redistribution)

I think that's just hot air. What's not hot air is the principle that what's mine is mine, not yours. You lefties somehow don't get that.

Sorry my friend but we do get silver spoons and golden parachutes being paid on the backs of consumers and workers, by those that claim to be job creators who haven't created jobs, and blames your favorite president for not creating jobs when its not his job.

We have ample evidence that the job creators take tax cuts, hide the money, exploit overseas cheap labor and close American plants and cause workers to lose their pensions, houses and dignity. That's supply side redistribution and has devastated us so far.

What's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine is the whole basis for the NEW tax cuts in Romneys plan that's online and that too is redistribution from the bottom to the top.

What's in your wallet?


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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...walking-probe/

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But back to the OP.

Dumb Mitt Romney Quotes - Romney Gaffes and Stupid Quotes

[speechlesstx]

They changed the old law to make it fair for the injured party. Get your facts straight. Of course most repubs were against it, but please read the whole thing.

Is it the law of the land or not? Yes it is, so the facts can't be any more straight than being 100 percent correct. The rest you just regurgitate reflexively.

[speechlesstx]

look speech I won't argue the concept that taxation is theft, it is purely and simply legalised theft. However, anarchy is not a pleasant system to live under so some compromises have to be made. When you elect a representative and that representative agrees to use taxation to provide services, under the system of government you have, that decision is as if you had made it yourself. It is apparent you only like majority rules when you are in the majority but it doesn't work that way. Where I come from we have a saying; the objective is to get as much fleece with the minimum of bleating, we see taxation as the equivalent of shearing sheep

With you there is no middle ground is there? Anarchy? Seriously? I've never objected to or shirked from paying taxes. When is enough, enough? Our elected leaders need to stop this social and economic engineering, stop with the slush funds for their cronies, the pork for their neighborhoods and approach every dollar spent knowing that someone else earned it. You wouldn't appreciate me spending your money now would you?

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Mother Milhous Jones.

It is good that we are becoming aware of the importance of context.

Well... until the next time maybe?

Tut

[speechlesstx]

But back to the OP.

Glad Obama is being presidential himself.

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It was Talk Like a Pirate day.

[speechlesstx]

It was Talk Like a Pirate day.

Duh?? Two days earlier was Constitution Day and no tweets about that, I can see where his priorities are.

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Ok sure:
Obama proclaims Constitution Day - UPI.com

WASHINGTON, Sept. 17 (UPI) -- President Obama declared Monday Constitution Day and Citizenship Day, beginning an observance of the U.S. Constitution's 225th anniversary, a statement said.

Obama encouraged local and state leaders to commemorate Constitution Week with civic ceremonies and programs designed to reflect on the importance of the document that has guided the United States "from a fragile experiment in democracy to a beacon of freedom that lights the world," the U.S. Defense Department said in a release.

The president also welcomed new citizens taking their oaths Monday.

What else do you want to manufacture fake outrage about?

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Ok sure:
Obama proclaims Constitution Day - UPI.com

What else do you want to manufacture fake outrage about?

I said, "no tweets." Nobody reads presidential proclamations but they'll follow his Twitter feed. Which deserved attention?

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Yawn.

[tomder55]

With you there is no middle ground is there? Anarchy? Seriously? I've never objected to or shirked from paying taxes. When is enough, enough? Our elected leaders need to stop this social and economic engineering, stop with the slush funds for their cronies, the pork for their neighborhoods and approach every dollar spent knowing that someone else earned it. You wouldn't appreciate me spending your money now would you?

The strawman they construct is that if we want lower rates or tax reform that we want no taxes .

[excon]

The strawman they construct is that if we want lower rates or tax reform that we want no taxes .

Hello again, tom:

It's EASY to TALK about tax reform, but NOBODY is going to give up THEIR personal deduction or exemption, or subsidy. Let's just take the home mortgage deduction... Steve and I had a discussion about that before... He believes the deduction allows him to KEEP some of his money.. Because I don't get it, I believe it's a handout. He's NOT going to give it up. If you get it, you're not either...

But, I'm willing to listen to which ones you ARE willing to give up... Go ahead, list 'em...

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