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speechlesstx · Aug 24, 2011, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Now, maybe they want to add a HUGE intrusive religious state to the mix. Sounds right to me.. These people don't understand the meaning of small government and freedom...

So you drank the koolaid?

tomder55 · Aug 24, 2011, 09:55 AM

It's not koolaid... Ex ,being an Article 6 type of guy,is just applying a religious test to the Presidency. But there are some on our side who brought this stuff on, as you correctly point out ,with nonsense like birther and Manchurian candidate talk in 2008.

excon · Aug 24, 2011, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Ex ,being an Article 6 type of guy,is just applying a religious test to the Presidency.

Hello again, tom:

That could be true. I want my president to believe in ONE document, and ONE document only. I don't want him/her to have allegiances to ANYBODY (Grover Norquist) or ANY entity OTHER than the citizenry of this great nation. Call me crazy.

excon

speechlesstx · Aug 24, 2011, 12:16 PM

Interesting. So politicians can't have personal beliefs and convictions. Guess you're out of luck then.

twinkiedooter · Aug 24, 2011, 07:58 PM

So, who's up for "the death penalty for homosexuality, abortion, and even apostasy"? Anyone?

Uh, can I take a number and stand in line on this, Speech? Or do I have to answer now?

paraclete · Aug 25, 2011, 12:21 AM

Well let's see now, tick, tick, and, no, I'm not a Muslim

speechlesstx · Aug 29, 2011, 11:16 AM

Bill Keller of the NY Times is apparently all for a religious test for candidates.

1. Is it fair to question presidential candidates about details of their faith?

2. Is it fair to question candidates about controversial remarks made by their pastors, mentors, close associates or thinkers whose books they recommend?

3. (a) Do you agree with those religious leaders who say that America is a “Christian nation” or “Judeo-Christian nation?” (b) What does that mean in practice?

4. If you encounter a conflict between your faith and the Constitution and laws of the United States, how would you resolve it? Has that happened, in your experience?

5. (a) Would you have any hesitation about appointing a Muslim to the federal bench? (b) What about an atheist?

6. Are Mormons Christians, in your view? Should the fact that Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman are Mormons influence how we think of them as candidates?

7. What do you think of the evangelical Christian movement known as Dominionism and the idea that Christians, and only Christians, should hold dominion over the secular institutions of the earth?

8. (a) What is your attitude toward the theory of evolution? (b) Do you believe it should be taught in public schools?

9. Do you believe it is proper for teachers to lead students in prayer in public schools?

LOL, you got to love number 7 especially. I had never even heard of Dominionism until the silly article that led to this thread. Maybe that's because there are only a handful of dingbats that actually adhere to the philosophy, and none currently running for office.

I'm just curious though, why wasn't the media so intent on a religius test when Obama was running in 2008. Apparently, questioning his ties to his "God damn America" mentor of 20 years is out of bounds, while making up crap about Dominionsim is mandatory.

paraclete · Aug 29, 2011, 09:28 PM

After listening to Bachmann I could understand why some might think there is a Christian plot. Has this woman lost the plot? God is making a wake up call to the US? I think he might be making a wake up call to Bachmann

speechlesstx · Aug 30, 2011, 05:02 AM

If you're referring to her weekend comments she was joking. Keller, the executive editor of the NY Times is not. This moron thinks Rick Santorum is "affiliated with fervid subsets of evangelical Christianity." No, he's Catholic. That would be about like the Fox News guys saying Obama is a radical Muslim. And some of you say Fox isn't "real news"?

paraclete · Aug 30, 2011, 05:18 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

If you're referring to her weekend comments she was joking. Keller, the executive editor of the NY Times is not. This moron thinks Rick Santorum is "affiliated with fervid subsets of evangelical Christianity." No, he's Catholic. That would be about like the Fox News guys saying Obama is a radical Muslim. And some of you say Fox isn't "real news"?

Speech you may not be aware of this but committed Christians are serious when they say God is sending a wake up call in earthquakes and storms. It isn't just the lunatic fringe who think this way. Let's say I think we have all had a wake up call in the events of the last year, but as far as I can see we are not listening

speechlesstx · Aug 30, 2011, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Speech you may not be aware of this but committed Christians are serious when they say God is sending a wake up call in earthquakes and storms. It isn't just the lunatic fringe who think this way. Let's say I think we have all had a wake up call in the events of the last year, but as far as I can see we are not listening

Oh I'm aware, Clete. I just think the left is irrational about it.

excon · Aug 30, 2011, 06:58 AM

Hello again:

I agree with you right wingers... God DOES talk. He tells ME that right wingers are going to DESTROY the earth, and we better get gay marriage approved right away...

What?? You think God is a right winger?? Of course you would... Guess what?

excon

tomder55 · Aug 30, 2011, 07:07 AM

Clete so you are the zealot... not Bachmann . She was clearly joking when she said it... but it was enough to get libs heads to explode.
Here's another amusing religious sidebar to the campaign. Romney is losing Jewish funding here in NY because they are giving money instead to the "Jewish candidate "... Bachmann. For some reason they believe she's Jewish .
Mitt Romney losing Jewish donors because they think Michele Bachmann is a Jew | Mail Online

As to Keller's idiotic scare mongering questions ,the correct response was given by Jack Kennedy 1960 .

I hope that no American will waste his franchise and throw away his vote by voting either for me or against me solely on account of my religious affiliation. It is not relevant.

excon · Aug 30, 2011, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

I hope that no American will waste his franchise and throw away his vote by voting either for me or against me solely on account of my religious affiliation. It is not relevant.

Hello again, tom:

Of course, I agree with MY president. The problem happens when the CANDIDATE him or herself uses his or her religious affiliation to GET votes. To THEM, it's relevant. Therefore, it should be to us.

My second of course, is that Michelle Bachmann would SAY that she was joking... But, she wasn't. Certainly, if she BELIEVES, like clete and Steve do, that God makes weather to send a message, and she DOES, why WOULDN'T she believe that God is sending HER a message?

I'm just saying, that if God sends messages, how do you know that he doesn't send them to me?

excon

speechlesstx · Aug 30, 2011, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by excon

My second of course, is that Michelle Bachmann would SAY that she was joking... But, she wasn't.

Yes, she was.

Certainly, if she BELIEVES, like clete and Steve do, that God makes weather to send a message, and she DOES, why WOULDN'T she believe that God is sending HER a message?

Now see, this is how nonsense like Obama is a Muslim and Perry a Dominionist gets started, people make crap up. Could you please point me to any instance in which I've said "makes weather to send a message." I mean, just because you're losing your butt in fantasy baseball is no reason to make stuff up abut me here.

tomder55 · Aug 30, 2011, 08:01 AM

God does send you messages... The question you correctly pose is what is the message ? And are you really listening? To inject some of my belief ;it is absurd to think that earthqukes and hurricanes and other natural disasters are "messages from God" . Oh it may be a message that it's not a good idea for me to become a Darwin's Award candidate by taking a kayak out that day or taking a walk on a jetty .

Maybe Michelle's comments would be more acceptable to you if she had instead said "America's chickens coming home to roost" .

Wondergirl · Aug 30, 2011, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Yes, she was.

Actually, since I was born into (to a minister and his wife, no less!) and lived much of my adult life in the church body she used to be in, I know she wasn't kidding. She may have giggled about it to her elderly audience, but I have no doubt she believes it.

excon · Aug 30, 2011, 08:06 AM

Hello again, Steve:

Couple things.. If I said the hurricane was Gods wrath, you'd KNOW I was joking... It's like if I were to say that EVERYBODY should smoke pot, you WOULDN'T know if I was joking or not, would you?

Bachmann is a FIRM believer. To hear her mouth the words of Pat Robertson, another firm believer, doesn't sound like a joke to ME. But, I don't know what's in her heart.

Uhhh, I see where I misread clete's post, and thought it was yours. HE'S the one who believe God makes weather to send a message...

excon

speechlesstx · Aug 30, 2011, 08:13 AM

I'm not going to waste much time defending Bachmann, I have no intention of voting for her and enjoy watching all you smart people share your irrational fears.

Wondergirl · Aug 30, 2011, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I'm not going to waste much time defending Bachmann, I have no intention of voting for her and enjoy watching all you smart people share your irrational fears.

I would love nothing more than for her to become the Republican nominee to run against Obama.