[excon]

Create jobs for the hell of it, yeah that's gonna happen.

Hello again, Steve:

You're right. They need some DEMAND first. Consumers create demand when they have money in their pockets. That was my original point. So, let's give some money to consumers instead of zillionaires.. Then jobs will be created, right?? I mean if they're NOT going to create jobs, then WHY shouldn't we ask them to pay a FAIR share??

excon

[paraclete]

Hello again, Steve:

You're right. They need some DEMAND first. Consumers create demand when they have money in their pockets. That was my original point. So, let's give some money to consumers instead of zillionaires.. Then jobs will be created, right??? I mean if they're NOT going to create jobs, then WHY shouldn't we ask them to pay a FAIR share???

excon

Yes ex let's have some income redistribution away from the high fliers who don't earn what they get to the real workers who need it, but not through government handouts but through fair wages. When people have money to spend they spend it and the economy works, when people have nothing the economy grinds to a halt. Pay the people who have a job well, not make them subsidise the low end.

[tomder55]

Didn't you just praise the Communist China model... low wage protectionist merchantilism ?

[paraclete]

didn't you just praise the Communist China model ...low wage protectionist merchantilism ?

Not at all, wages in China will rise, it is happening and it is inevietable. The west has fallen into the communist trap. That China finds a way to keep its people employed is not wrong policy, it is wrong policy to leave them idle and waste billions on bialing out high flying tax evaders. What is also wrong policy is exporting your industries to China in exchange for low cost goods and leaving your own people unemployed. A little protectionism goes along way. What was america doing when Germany took the Chinese car industry, making SUV for fat tax evading americans? Perhaps they will send you Humvees soon. Just remember whose iron ore and coal make it possible

[tomder55]

Not at all, wages in China will rise, it is happening and it is inevietable. The west has fallen into the communist trap. That China finds a way to keep its people employed is not wrong policy, it is wrong policy to leave them idle and waste billions on bialing out high flying tax evaders.

Oh so low wages are useful at a time of high unemployment ? I thought you were against that .

A little protectionism goes along way.

Protectionism turns recession into depression... turns trade war into shooting war. Did you learn nothing from the 1930s history texts ?

[paraclete]

oh so low wages are useful at a time of high unemployment ? I thought you were against that .

No Tom I said a minimum wage is essential to redistribute wealth, an entirely different concept. Choice is also important Tom and the Chinese choose to work

protectionism turns recession into depression... turns trade war into shooting war. Did you learn nothing from the 1930s history texts ?

What I learned from 1930's history is that unemployment breeds fascism and dictatorship, that it sets up a mindset where people will accept anything in order just to have employment, an attitude that capitalism cultivates, What I have learned from the last decade is that the greed of capitalism knows no bounds. From your history book you think Russia should have sold Hitler oil in the way Russia sells gas to Germany today. That is the sort of thing that starts shooting wars. It isn't protectionism that starts shooting wars it is exploitation. Perhaps the US should have sold Japan oil, aftereall it would have saved us a cold war

[speechlesstx]

I guess unlike you ex, Steve Wynn is not too excited about the expanding his business under Obama. Who is Steve Wynn? CEO of Wynn Resorts.

Well, here's our problem. There are a host of opportunities for expansion in Las Vegas, a host of opportunities to create tens of thousands of jobs in Las Vegas. I know that I could do 10,000 more myself and according to the Chamber of Commerce and the Visitors Convention Bureau, if we hired 10,000 employees, it would create another 20,000 additional jobs for a grand total of 30,000. I believe in Las Vegas. I think its best days are ahead of it. But I'm afraid to do anything in the current political environment in the United States. You watch television and see what's going on, on this debt ceiling issue. And what I consider to be a total lack of leadership from the President and nothing's going to get fixed until the President himself steps up and wrangles both parties in Congress. But everybody is so political, so focused on holding their job for the next year that the discussion in Washington is nauseating. And I'm saying it bluntly, that this administration is the greatest wet blanket to business, and progress and job creation in my lifetime. And I can prove it and I could spend the next 3 hours giving you examples of all of us in this market place that are frightened to death about all the new regulations, our healthcare costs escalate, regulations coming from left and right. A President that seems -- that keeps using that word redistribution. Well, my customers and the companies that provide the vitality for the hospitality and restaurant industry, in the United States of America, they are frightened of this administration. And it makes you slow down and not invest your money. Everybody complains about how much money is on the side in America. You bet. And until we change the tempo and the conversation from Washington, it's not going to change. And those of us who have business opportunities and the capital to do it are going to sit in fear of the President. And a lot of people don't want to say that. They'll say, "Oh God, don't be attacking Obama." Well, this is Obama's deal, and it's Obama that's responsible for this fear in America. The guy keeps making speeches about redistribution, and maybe we ought to do something to businesses that don't invest or holding too much money. We haven't heard that kind of talk except from pure socialists. Everybody's afraid of the government, and there's no need to soft peddling it, it's the truth. It is the truth. And that's true of Democratic businessman and Republican businessman, and I am a Democratic businessman and I support Harry Reid. I support Democrats and Republicans. And I'm telling you that the business community in this company is frightened to death of the weird political philosophy of the President of the United States. And until he's gone, everybody's going to be sitting on their thumbs.

But I suppose he wouldn't know anything about this, would he? Well that's exactly what's happening, businesses are sitting on their thumbs for the exact reasons he stated.

[Wondergirl]

nothing's going to get fixed until the President himself steps up and wrangles both parties in Congress

Seems like that is what he HAS been doing, but the Republicans have dug their heels into the sand and refuse to give an inch, hoping he will fail. Meanwhile, the American public is fated to suffer.

[excon]

But I suppose he wouldn't know anything about this, would he? Well that's exactly what's happening, businesses are sitting on their thumbs for the exact reasons he stated.

Hello again, Steve:

Yes, I know who Steve Wynn is, and he's WRONG, for the exact reasons most Republicans state all the time... He's a BIG businessman. He has capital to "sit on". He can wait. He also has a POLITICAL point to make, and he's MAKING it above...

Republicans remind us ALL THE TIME, that the engine for creating jobs in this country is SMALL business's, like MINE - not HIS. I DON'T have capital to sit on. I don't have time to pontificate.

I HAVE uncertainty, but not because of Obamacare, or my taxes, or my regulations.. I have uncertainty about whether anybody will BUY my product. When they do, and when I need to hire new people, I will. THAT is the ONLY consideration ME and jillions like me have. We don't have press agents. We don't have reporters asking us what we think... We don't have political points to make. We're TOO damn busy running our shops.

I represent the job creators, NOT Steve Wynn.

excon

[speechlesstx]

nothing's going to get fixed until the President himself steps up and wrangles both parties in Congress

Seems like that is what he HAS been doing, but the Republicans have dug their heels into the sand and refuse to give an inch, hoping he will fail. Meanwhile, the American public is fated to suffer.

So that's all you got out of it? You missed the part about the president's "total lack of leadership", Obama being "the greatest wet blanket to business, and progress and job creation in [his] lifetime" and the 3 mentions of being afraid of Obama and the government?

P.S. What is the president's plan?

[Wondergirl]

P.S. What is the president's plan?

So far he's been a spectacular leader. I have no doubt there's a plan.


Why isn't big business that is getting all those tax breaks (for years now) creating the jobs they are so famous for creating in the past?

[speechlesstx]

I represent the job creators, NOT Steve Wynn.

I don't believe I ever disagreed with your point on your business and I get that small business creates most jobs. But when a guy says he could create 10,000 jobs which would lead to an additional 20,000 if Obama wasn't a "wet blanket", that's significant.

He can't create those jobs because he can't sell his product because people are cutting back, way back, on discretionary spending thanks in large part to that same uncertainty this administration has created.

[Wondergirl]

that same uncertainty this administration has created.

WHO has created the uncertainty?

[speechlesstx]

So far he's been a spectacular leader. I have no doubt there's a plan.

Spectacular? On what planet? His budget proposal was laughed out of town by his own party. On most issues he outsources his work to Democrats in congress while he plays golf. What leadership and again, what plan?

[speechlesstx]

WHO has created the uncertainty?

Those who claim responsibility for the economy.

[Synnen]

Oh please.

The BANKS (that got BAILED OUT) created this uncertainty.

The companies that outsourced to other countries created this uncertainty.

I'm not spending money either. If I lose my job, I qualify for pretty much nothing from the government to help me keep my house. So screw discretionary spending--I have the money now, but the hell if I'm spending it on crap I don't need when I don't know if my job is the next to go... and no one hires a pregnant woman, regardless the discrimination laws against it.

The government isn't creating jobs. Big business isn't creating jobs--they're shoving those jobs off to other countries. And tax cuts NEVER create new jobs. Show me proof that it ever has. And companies that DO have to make changes always CHARGE more instead of CUTTING PROFITS.

Screw it. We're all going to hell in a handbasket, and the people who have money are the people in power, and we can't take away one without taking away the other.

PS--OBAMA is one of those people with money and power, and I don't see him cutting his own benefits, just like I don't see Congress cutting THEIR benefits.

When those in power tighten their belts and go without, maybe people will have respect for them and consider their ideas on how to cut spending elsewhere.

[Wondergirl]

Those who claim responsibility for the economy.

Wasserman went on to say in that article: “Unfortunately, the Republican leadership in the House right now seems to have been strangled by the tea party,” she said. “The tail seems to be wagging the dog right now.”

"Republicans lack courage. They know how to do it the right way, they know how to compromise, they just can’t seem to break their fear of what the ramifications would be from the tea party right-wing fringe if they listened to what their inner self tells them to do.”

[excon]

Hello again,

I'm willing to give tax breaks to business's who CREATE jobs... I agree with Republicans. It's a GREAT incentive... I'm just not willing to do it FIRST. Let them spend their money, and hire new people, and THEN we'll give 'em a tax break.

What's wrong with that? How many things do you pay for first, and HOPE you get what was promised?? I'd venture, NONE!

excon

[talaniman]

Wonder where the rich got that money to sit on? Oh that's right, while our wages didn't go up, the prices of everything else did, and still are, and the rich got bailed out with my money and now they make money and sit on it, while we get laid off.

And conservatives, still believe in the big business god bestowing their blessings. Get real, stop listening to a rich guy crying about what he could do for the country if only he had more of his money, and he could make his own rules, and police himself. >Nod, wink<

Repubs believe in taking your job, giving it to the lowest bidder, and treating you like a worthless bum! That's what they do, and have been doing for the last 12 years. And conservatives are so scared of everybody taking what they have, they willingly give permission to screw everyone even themselves. That's why they can't negotiate, or compromise, because they believe what the gods of money say, and can't even tell they are being lied to or used. Case in point, ask any conservative what they think of a guy who has been laid off and there are no jobs to feed his family with. There comments and voting record, are public record, and they used the poor and unemployed as hostages to keep tax cuts for the rich in place.

Now they use the debt ceiling as a hostage to take more money and benefits from ex workers, and the poor, old, and disabled, and let the rich gods they worship keep sitting on all the money they stole from you.

Job creators my a$$. Slave masters is more like it, Thieves is more accurate, and fools are the ones that listen. As America gets more educated, and their fear replaced by FACTS, then the problems can be solved to the benefit of us all. The problem is too many LOW INFORMATION voters.

End of rant... for now.

[excon]

End of rant..............................for now.

Hello tal:

You did GOOD!

excon