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    #61

    Oct 11, 2010, 12:36 AM

    So it occurred in a sort of big hall where orchestras are held? Yes.

    Did the girl try to lead an orchestra? No.
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    #62

    Oct 11, 2010, 12:44 AM

    Did the girl know what the stick used for?

    Did her parents tell her to shake the stick to see what happens?
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    #63

    Oct 11, 2010, 01:27 AM

    Did the girl know what the stick used for? Not quite.

    Did her parents tell her to shake the stick to see what happens? No.
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    Oct 11, 2010, 01:32 AM

    Did she thought the stick could make music?

    She knew that she stick was a conductor's baton, right?
    But she didn't know its real purpose, right?
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    #65

    Oct 11, 2010, 01:53 AM

    Did she thought the stick could make music? Yes.

    She knew that she stick was a conductor's baton, right? I don't think she understood "conductor's baton." (Maybe ask another way.)

    But she didn't know its real purpose, right? Right.
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    #66

    Oct 11, 2010, 01:57 AM

    Do we need to find the setting too?

    Were the orchestra musicians present?

    Were there many people in the hall?

    Were the little girl and her parents visiting the place?

    Did the girl want to try using the conductor's stick?

    Did she ask to borrow it?

    Was the smiling man the orchestra leader?

    Did her parents ask the orchestra leader to borrow it?
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    Oct 11, 2010, 02:24 AM

    Do we need to find the setting too? In terms of place, no. In terms of circumstances, yes.

    Were the orchestra musicians present? Irrelevant.

    Were there many people in the hall? Irrelevant.

    Were the little girl and her parents visiting the place? Yes.

    Did the girl want to try using the conductor's stick? She didn't specifically say so.

    Did she ask to borrow it? No.

    Was the smiling man the orchestra leader? Yes.

    Did her parents ask the orchestra leader to borrow it? No.
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    #68

    Oct 11, 2010, 02:31 AM

    Was the girl impressed before getting the stick?
    - By the man?
    - By the stick?

    Did the man saw her impression and asked her if she wanted to try?
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    Oct 11, 2010, 02:32 AM

    Was the girl impressed before getting the stick? Yes.
    - By the man? No.
    - By the stick? Yes.

    Did the man saw her impression and asked her if she wanted to try? No.
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    #70

    Oct 11, 2010, 02:47 AM

    Was the man practising before handing the stick to the girl?

    Did the girl clap?
    Exclaimed?
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    Oct 11, 2010, 03:12 AM

    Was the man practising before handing the stick to the girl? No.
    Did the girl clap? Probably.
    Exclaimed? Probably that too.
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    #72

    Oct 11, 2010, 03:18 AM

    Did the girl get the attention of the man somehow?

    Did the man want her to try it?
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    Oct 11, 2010, 03:34 AM

    Did the girl get the attention of the man somehow? No.

    Did the man want her to try it? Um, it's not really a 'want her to try it' on his part.
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    Oct 11, 2010, 03:44 AM

    You're getting close and I'd love to stay and watch you solve this, but I'm getting really tired. I'm only still up cause I was trying to finish something else.

    But I usually chill out with a book a bit before going to sleep, so I'll be checking in again. Don't be afraid to ask cause you think you're keeping me up. :) (And of course, I'll eventually be back.)
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    #75

    Oct 11, 2010, 03:48 AM

    I'm just reading something and trying to think of what is happening in the puzzle at the same time...

    I just don't know what she could have done for the man to give it to her. She didn't get his attention... he wasn't practising, it was irrelevant whether there was an orchestra before...

    I don't know how she could have witnessed the stick 'playing' music nor why would the man hand it to her... :(
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    Oct 11, 2010, 04:03 AM
    I just don't know what she could have done for the man to give it to her.
    You're assuming she got him to give it to her.

    She didn't get his attention... he wasn't practising, it was irrelevant whether there was an orchestra before...
    You asked "Were the orchestra musicians present?" Our scenario is about him handing her the baton - there is no "before" in your question.

    Does that help?
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    #77

    Oct 11, 2010, 04:13 AM

    I don't know... maybe I'm tired... :o

    I'll post later on.
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    Oct 11, 2010, 04:19 AM

    Sure. You might still be around after I get up.
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    Oct 11, 2010, 04:34 AM

    I'll part with a few "cheating" comments:

    Did the man want her to try it? Um, it's not really a 'want her to try it' on his part.
    His intent was not a "want for her to try it." This does not mean the opposite, that he did not want her to try it. And he was probably pleased for her to do so. But her "trying it" wasn't his motivation.

    Did she ask to borrow it? No.
    Did her parents ask the orchestra leader to borrow it? No.
    My feeling is there's an assumption built into these questions. The questions themselves don't contain an assumption - I simply think you're making one by asking them.

    Were the little girl and her parents visiting the place? Yes.
    Why?

    Did she thought the stick could make music? Yes.
    But she didn't know its real purpose, right? Right.
    Think about these.

    And with that I'm asleep...
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    #80

    Oct 11, 2010, 04:43 AM

    The parents take the girl to visit a music hall and meet a conductor?
    She asks what the stick is for?
    Or she has previously seen a conductor waving a stick whilst the music plays?
    She therefore thinks the baton makes the music happen?
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