[tomder55]

Please quote the provision

PAGE 838 sections 440 and 1904 of the House bill ,under the heading "home visitation programs for families with young children and families expecting children."

Previously this was the “Education Begins at Home Act” introduced in 2008 by Rep. Danny Davis (D-IL) and Sen. Kit Bond (R-MO)
It was then added into the House plan.

[NeedKarma]

PAGE 838 sections 440 and 1904 of the House bill ,under the heading "home visitation programs for families with young children and families expecting children."

Where does it say that they are going to tell you how to raise your children?

We already have a program here like that here, where new mothers can have visits from RNs that are specialized in newborn care. The mothers love it and it's a popular program.

[tomder55]

Glad you like it but you are comparing apples and oranges . This is the nanny state sending in nanny monitors to make sure you are indoctinating your children properly .We don't need the government coming into our homes telling us how to raise our kids.

As ususal it is vaguely worded which leaves it to the bureaucrat to interpret the degree of intrusiveness permitted . The wording of the bill says “well-trained and competent staff” will…provide parents with knowledge of age-appropriate child development in cognitive, language, social, emotional, and motor domains…modeling, consulting, and coaching on parenting practices; [and] skills to interact with their child…the state will “prioritize serving communities that are in high need of such services, especially communities with a high proportion of low-income families or a high incidence of child maltreatment.”

In other words ;the rich may get a pass ;but the poor will not get off so easily . Evidently good parenting is equated with personal finance and income .

[NeedKarma]

Yea, that's exactly what we have here. They answer parents' questions.
YOU choose to throw the nanny-state and "indoctinating" bullcrap because that's what Limbaugh and Beck tell you. We also have a great 3.5 year old mandatory assessment to see if any children need help with vision, motor skills, etc before the start of kindergarten. All to give them the best chance at success.

[tomder55]

Lol I guess I'm wasting my time telling you I neither listen to Rush nor have ever seen the Glen Beck show... both are on while I am working . Honestly if I was to add up my time watching and listening to any media I would say it is time spent mostly in the left wing spin outlets. I watch ABC world news and watch Chris Matthews ,Jon Stewart and Steve Colbert when Yank games aren't on.

However if that is what Rush and Beck say I completely agree with them . And of course ,as always ,you are free to believe what you want.

[ETWolverine]

I've been concentrating on all the other provisions of the bill that I missed the one about nanny-state parenting.

NeedKarma, do you think it is the government's job to tell parents how to raise their kids?

What happens if someone gets a visit from a "parenting counselor" who gives the parent unsolicited "advice" on raising kids, and the parent decides not to take that advice, either for philosophical reasons, or cultural reasons, or religious reasons? Does the government get to take action against that parent?

What if I don't want a visit from a parenting counselor?

Or for that matter, what if I don't want a visit from an "end-of-life counselor"?

Do I get to refuse these services?

Based on what I've read, I HAVE to accept these things. I don't have a choice.

There are plenty of good organizations out there that teach parenting to new mothers and fathers. Why does the government need to get involved?

This is the issue that nobody on the left seems able to answer: Why is this an issue for the government to deal with? Why should the government be involved in parenting at all? I do not want the government involved in determining how I raise my two children, much less telling me that I'm doing it wrong.

When everything is controlled from a centralized government (the economy, health care, parenting, death issues, travel, energy use), what you end up with is NOTHING SHORT OF COMMUNISM.

Also, what does parent-counseling have to do with health care? Why is this provision part of the health care bill at all?

Elliot

[speechlesstx]

I'm happy for you NK that you trust your government so much. Me, I have a healthy skepticism of a government that wants to delve into providing parents with "knowledge of age-appropriate child development in cognitive, language, social, emotional, and motor domains…modeling, consulting, and coaching on parenting practices."

With whose values?

[NeedKarma]

There are plenty of good organizations out there that teach parenting to new mothers and fathers.

Like who?

[ETWolverine]

Like who?

Just off the top of my head?

Take Five Parenting:
Children's Trust Fund - Celebrating 10 Years

They in turn link to:
National Effective Parenting Initiative
https://www.effectiveparentingusa.org

That's two that I found in under 5 minutes. (I already knew about Take 5.) Think there aren't others out there?

[NeedKarma]

How about nurses?

[ETWolverine]

How about nurses?

What about nurses? We're talking about organizations that help teach young parents how to parent. You asked what organizations there are. I responded with two good websites. What do nurses have to do with anything?

[NeedKarma]

They are the ones that offer support services here. I imagine it would be the same in the US plan.

[speechlesstx]

I always thought the job of nurses was to take care of sick and injured people.

[ETWolverine]

I always thought the job of nurses was to take care of sick and injured people.

Well, that would make sense... so... no, that's not how things are going to be done by the government.

[ETWolverine]

They are the ones that offer support services here. I imagine it would be the same in the US plan.

Why should the government be doing it at all? Why is parenting the government's responsibility?

This is the question you need to answer.

[NeedKarma]

So you view nurses as being the government?

[excon]

Hello again,

I didn't read the part you guys are talking about... Why should I?? I might as well be as ignorant as YOU guys are on this issue...

The provision you're talking about is free parenting classes... Now, only a right wing jerk would call that a nanny state. Or maybe this is the part where they tell you how to kill your kids... I don't know... You sure can't trust those Dems... Good thing YOU guys are in power... (snicker, snicker)

So, because you guys aren't willing to participate in reasonable debate, this bill is going to be SHOVED down your throats... That's the way people in power DO things. No?

excon

[ETWolverine]

So you view nurses as being the government?

Only when they're employed by the government and are there to check out your parenting skills at the mandate of the government.

Don't you?

But again, you are avoiding answering the important question.

Why is it the government's job to be involved in parenting?

[ETWolverine]

Hello again,

I didn't read the part you guys are talking about.... Why should I??? I might as well be as ignorant as YOU guys are on this issue...

The provision you're talking about is free parenting classes... Now, only a right wing jerk would call that a nanny state. Or maybe this is the part where they tell you how to kill your kids.... I dunno... You sure can't trust those Dems.... Good thing YOU guys are in power..... (snicker, snicker)

So, because you guys aren't willing to participate in reasonable debate, this bill is going to be SHOVED down your throats.... That's the way people in power DO things. No?

excon

Well, it's clear you didn't read it. Nor have you read Steve's post on the subject, because he gave you the exact wording of the bill.

But then you've never been one to let facts get in the way of a good anti-Republican rant.

Elliot

[NeedKarma]

Only when they're employed by the government and are there to check out your parenting skills at the mandate of the government.

Don't you?

But again, you are avoiding answering the important question.

Why is it the government's job to be involved in parenting?

Where does it say it is mandatory?