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N0help4u · Jul 9, 2009, 07:31 PM

The OP's question is not about proving the Bible. Maybe you should start your own question because your objections are taking the OP's post way off what she asked.

Athos · Jul 9, 2009, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by N0help4u

The OP's question is not about proving the Bible. Maybe you should start your own question because your objections are taking the OP's post way off what she asked.

They became off-thread because of the way you and yours took the thread. Don't blame me for responding to what you claimed. Maybe the fault is yours!

N0help4u · Jul 9, 2009, 07:37 PM

I am not blaming you I am simply saying that I think if you want answers it is about time we started a new thread and you are the one with the question.
Not trying to place any blame.

classyT · Jul 9, 2009, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Athos

To begin at the beginning - this part of the thread is about proving the Bible. You cannot prove the Bible by quoting the Bible. First, it was necessary to believe in Jesus - I am the way, etc etc - remember that? Now, recognizing the impossibility of people believing in Jesus who died before Jesus, you come up with another story. Does it never end? Will you come up with something no matter what I ask?

Athos,

Those old testament saints are all covered under the blood of Christ. The sacrifices of animals just covered them. They knew NOTHING of the Lord Jesus... and yet he certainly was promised in Genesis 3.

Athos · Jul 9, 2009, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by N0help4u

I am not blaming you I am simply saying that I think if you want answers it is about time we started a new thread and you are the one with the question.
Not trying to place any blame.

I never had a question. I responded to the op. Look back and see. Any questions that developed were in response to statements made by others.

Athos · Jul 9, 2009, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by classyT

Athos,

Those old testament saints are all covered under the blood of Christ. The sacrifices of animals just covered them. They knew NOTHING of the Lord Jesus...and yet he certainly was promised in Genesis 3.

Again, when you make statements like that, it is the most ordinary thing in the world for one to ask - what proof do you have for that?

You started this thread about different paths, and clearly indicated that you thought they were false. Why are you surprised that someone should ask you - Why are they false? That leads to subsequent questions about YOUR claims.

450donn · Jul 9, 2009, 07:44 PM

And now you have spent three posts trying to defend your comments. It is off topic. Lets get back on or moderator please close it.

N0help4u · Jul 9, 2009, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Athos

I never had a question. I responded to the op. Look back and see. Any questions that developed were in response to statements made by others.

Oh I thought these were questions you were wanting answered and I thought that you were basically asking Tj3 to prove everything

How could it possibly be "well established" when the earliest extant copies we have date from several centuries after the events?

How do you get the word out to the millions who died before Christ was born?

classyT · Jul 9, 2009, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Athos

They became off-thread because of the way you and yours took the thread. Don't blame me for responding to what you claimed. Maybe the fault is yours!

Athos,

You know I tend to get heated sometimes when I am trying to make a point. I guess I did last night. I believe that no one can prove anything... and I believe it is all about faith pure and simple. I mean I think there I compelling evidence but I can't prove it. I don't think anyone can. The Bible says that without faith it is impossible to please God because anyone that comes to him must believe that he IS and is the rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. So it is all about faith.

Athos · Jul 9, 2009, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by 450donn

And now you have spent three posts trying to defend your comments. It is off topic. Lets get back on or moderator please close it.

If you're referring to me, I'd be happy to get back on topic. I wasn't the one who left it.

Athos · Jul 9, 2009, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by classyT

Athos,

You know i tend to get heated sometimes when i am trying to make a point. I guess i did last nite. I believe that no one can prove anything...and I believe it is all about faith pure and simple. I mean i think there i compelling evidence but i can't prove it. I don't think anyone can. The Bible says that without faith it is impossible to please God because anyone that comes to him must believe that he IS and is the rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. so it is all about faith.

The first honest response all night (thread). Thank you.

As I have tried to make perfectly clear, I have no objection to people expressing their faith. It is when they insist it is the only truth, without a scintilla of evidence, that I simply ask for proof. When they say there is no "proof", it's just what I believe, I respect that.

DrJ · Jul 9, 2009, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by classyT

The Bible says that without faith it is impossible to please God because anyone that comes to him must believe that he IS and is the rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. so it is all about faith.

Anyone that comes to Him must believe that He IS. Its all about Faith.

Unless, of course, you believe that other paths may also lead to God... in which case, you are accursed.

This is where Faith ends and Religion begins.

Religion and the Church is what brought about these teaching of fear. It has taken away from the Truths that God has been showing/teaching us who choose to listen since before even the Bible.

classyT · Jul 9, 2009, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Athos

Again, when you make statements like that, it is the most ordinary thing in the world for one to ask - what proof do you have for that?

You started this thread about different paths, and clearly indicated that you thought they were false. Why are you surprised that someone should ask you - Why are they false? That leads to subsequent questions about YOUR claims.

I can't prove a thing... but I do believe the Bible and that is where I get my info. I debated putting the question on a religious discussion but truth is... I think I wanted to hear from fellow Christians because I think we are sooo divided. I know other faiths believe there are other paths to God. What I am troubled by... is what my fellow Christians are saying. I fear I am offending people again which is NOT my motive.

N0help4u · Jul 9, 2009, 07:54 PM

You are right in a sense. The only truth is what we believe in our hearts as the infallible word of God but then that is not the truth of non believers.

Athos · Jul 9, 2009, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by N0help4u

You are right in a sense. the only truth is what we believe in our hearts as the infallible word of God but then that is not the truth of non believers.

You got it!

And non-believers to other religions are Christians.

classyT · Jul 9, 2009, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by DrJizzle

Anyone that comes to Him must believe that He IS. Its all about Faith.

Unless, of course, you believe that other paths may also lead to God... in which case, you are accursed.

This is where Faith ends and Religion begins.

Religion and the Church is what brought about these teaching of fear. It has taken away from the Truths that God has been showing/teaching us who choose to listen since before even the Bible.

Dr. D,

For me it isn't about fear. It is all about trust and faith. Geesh, if I didn't have the Lord to rely on everyday about everything... I would be in fear.

I'm confused by you. I'm not sure of your point. Do you believe all paths evidentually lead to God?

N0help4u · Jul 9, 2009, 08:07 PM

Non believers to other religions are Christians
And the question Classy is asking is why do many Christians believe that non believers that do not believe in Christ are going to heaven when they do not believe in Jesus or follow his teachings.

classyT · Jul 9, 2009, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by N0help4u

Non believers to other religions are Christians
and the question Classy is asking is why do many Christians believe that non believers that do not believe in Christ are going to heaven when they do not believe in Jesus or follow his teachings.

THAT is it. I don't understand why Christians think there is another way to the Father other that the Lord Jesus.

450donn · Jul 9, 2009, 08:12 PM

And to answer Classy's original question, there is only one path to GOD. No one can honestly say that satan worship will lead to God can they? Or how about those that worship money? (those that seek wealth over everything else) Or the earth?(earth firsters) Or the anything that does not directly speak to God.
It takes an act of faith to believe in God. Without it there is nothing for man to believe in except materialism, or themselves.

Athos · Jul 9, 2009, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by classyT

THAT is it. I don't understand why Christians think there is another way to the Father other that the Lord Jesus.

It's very simple. Many Christians have a more profound understanding of Christianity than Fundamentalists. It's really as simple as that. They don't limit God to their own beliefs. Good night, all.