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Tj3 · Apr 16, 2009, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by cozyk

I get it now. The option to disagree is not for when you disagree with what a poster has written. Okay now, that makes a lot of sense.

English translation please?

classyT · Apr 16, 2009, 05:40 PM

cozyk...

The problem with your reddies is you base them on nothing more than your opinion. In Christianity we believe there is an answer to everything in the word and we TRY to back it up. I could even understand you giving reddies because you disagreed with doctrine, or felt someone was pulling a verse out of context . But you base your disagrees on nothing more than what you THINK and it doesn't make the poster wrong. It is best to simply comment back without giving reputation if you are going to do that. In almost every case you disagreed and backed it up withnothing but what you THINK is correct. That my take... and some people get irritated. Not me of course... cough cough. ;)

Akoue · Apr 16, 2009, 05:49 PM

It is my understanding that reddies are to be given only when an answer is factually incorrect or advice given is potentially dangerous. Reddies are not supposed to be given when someone merely disagrees with the opinion expressed by a poster.

But perhaps it would be helpful if a mod would address this since I've noticed that the rules don't seem to be followed very well in the Christianity forum.

cozyk · Apr 16, 2009, 06:46 PM

I'm sorry for throwing my reddies around under the wrong conditions. I have a better understanding now and I promise to use them in "accordance to the law" from now on. Really, I'm sorry folks. Peace

classyT · Apr 16, 2009, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by jakester

"Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you. And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed."

When I look at this, I am amazed at the interaction. Abraham obeys God but he has no real context in which to believe God. Abraham was 75 years old when this took place but I presume, anyway, that Abraham had already believed in God prior to this event. His heart, I assume, was already prepared for God to command him in this way. This phenomenon is what I was talking about. The preparation of the heart that God does through the Spirit to bring about a heart of obedience to whatever thing God calls us to do. What do you think about Genesis 12? I'm curious as to your thoughts about it.

Yes, I see what you are saying. And you are right Abraham had no scripture to refer to or any example to follow... but he actually HEARD God and he Believed the LORD and his promises. He uprooted his family, his idols and left for a strange land. THAT Is FAITH. Wow. Oh no doubt the Lord prepared his heart!! AND consider this and I don't think I am off track in comparing this passage... The Apostle Paul was a Jew, under the law living and obeying what he thought was right... then BOOM he HEARD the Voice of the Lord and it rocked his world too! I always chuckle a bit when I read how he was persecuting Christians and anyone who owned the name of Jesus and when the Lord met up with him notice what he said.. (.he immediately called him LORD.)

ACts 9:4-5 And he fell to the earth, heard a voice saying unto him. Saul, SAul why persecutes though me? And he (Paul) said Who art thou LORD?

Then of course there was Moses who had an encounter with the Lord also... they are all examples of hearing the voice of the Lord and then obeying because they BELIEVED and the Lord presented himself at just the right time, the right moment.

It must be something to actually HEAR the voice of the Lord.. huh?

And yet, having said all that, we are blessed far more today because we have them as examples, we have thousands of promises AND the complete word of God. We can understand salvation and that God had our redemption planned in Genesis. BUT It ALWAYS takes the Holy Spirit to open our eyes. And I believe it was the same with Abraham, Paul, Moses and the list goes on... The Lord Jesus himself said that no one could come to him unless the Father draws them... He most certainly opens our eyes, and prepares our hearts!!

classyT · Apr 16, 2009, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by cozyk

I'm sorry for throwing my reddies around under the wrong conditions. I have a better understanding now and I promise to use them in "accordance to the law" from now on. Really, I'm sorry folks. Peace

Ain't no big deal. It is just a reddie anyway cozyk... I mean really what does it all mean? Does the one with the least reddies win something... lol. You are forgiven.:)

arcura · Apr 16, 2009, 09:39 PM

Akoue,
I am with you on that about ordinaryguy (whom I think is far from ordinary).
I also believe that God is "in there" that is "In me" and abides "there" as the Holy Spirit.
Being a believer in the Holy Eucharist I believe that I have taken Jesus Christ (God the Son) within me.
And there a lot more about where God is in this world and what that does for me.
But that is for a different thread than this one.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

classyT · Apr 17, 2009, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by arcura

Akoue,
I am with you on that about ordinaryguy (whom I think is far from ordinary).
I also believe that God is "in there" that is "In me" and abides "there" as the Holy Spirit.
Being a believer in the Holy Eucharist I believe that I have taken Jesus Christ (God the Son) within me.
And there a lot more about where God is in this world and what that does for me.
But that is for a different thread than this one.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Fred,

Just out of curiosity, did you check out ordinaryguys new thread? YOU might find it interesting...

arcura · Apr 17, 2009, 10:00 PM

classyT,
No I have not seen it, but I will now.
Thanks,
Fred

arcura · Apr 17, 2009, 10:03 PM

classyT,
I looked but could not find it.
Under what topic is it, Please.
Fred

ordinaryguy · Apr 18, 2009, 03:03 AM

Originally Posted by arcura

classyT,
I looked but could not find it.
Under what topic is it, Please.
Fred

Here it is, Fred.
What/Where is "in here"?

arcura · Apr 18, 2009, 09:33 PM

ordinaryguy,
Thanks much.
I went there and saw that.
Very Good.
Fred

artlady · Apr 18, 2009, 09:42 PM

This thread has gone on so long and I have to say ,every time I see the title *was she ever a Christian* a part of me just cringes because what I feel is who cares if she ever was ?

This is a person who does not or should not be pigeonholed.

She is a human being and putting labels on people restricts them and makes them less then who they are ,not more.

The effort of people to put everyone into a neat little package so they can say someone is so and such is fascism.

She is a good person and that is all you need to know.

arcura · Apr 18, 2009, 09:58 PM

artlady
Very goof point.
Thanks.
Fred

Tj3 · Apr 18, 2009, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by Dare81

So let me get this straight , the proof that the book is written by God is in the book who's authenticity is being disputed.Nice

Sigh! This is the same old tired argument that we hear over and over and over again on here. We have had entire threads on this topic. First, please be aware that the Bible is a collection of books, not a single book, so using one book to validate another is not using internal evidence, but is using external evidence for validation.

Second, there is considerable evidence both internal to the Bible and external to the Bible, not the least of which is the overwhelming amount of detailed fulfilled prophecy.

But that is not the topic of this thread. This is the Christian Q&A board and your comment sounds like your purpose is to attack Christianity.

arcura · Apr 18, 2009, 10:58 PM

Dare81,
I must agree with Tj3 on this.
If you really want to doubt God's word in the face of all the evidence that it is valid that is your choice.
But if your effort is to cause doubt about God's word here among dedicated Christians that is a different matter and destined for failure.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

artlady · Apr 18, 2009, 11:02 PM

Why do you people argue so much on these Christian threads?
There is something inherently wrong here,there just is.
You are missing the point of any teaching if it makes you intolerant and argumentative.

arcura · Apr 18, 2009, 11:04 PM

Dare81,
Yes, you are right.
I have nothing to worry about there except for you if you are not saved by Jesus Christ.
Fred

arcura · Apr 18, 2009, 11:47 PM

artlady,
Maybe some here are intolerant but from what I can see there are very few.
Most here believe that a person can believe as the person wants to.
Most here are willing to share why they believe as they do, but I have not seen anyone recently say that a person MUST believe as the person posting says to.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

arcura · Apr 18, 2009, 11:54 PM

Dare,
Please do not try to read something into what I said that I did not.
I was responding to your statement about worry.
I never have ever said that someone was going to go to hell.
I am concerned for people who do not know or accept and follow Jesus Christ because I believe that those folks who do that well are much happier in life.
For me it's a matter of love, not judgment or intolerance.
I would like to see the best for everyone.
Peace and kindness,
Fred