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    #21

    Mar 23, 2009, 11:03 PM
    Tj3,
    I believe all of the bible.
    I just do not believe some of the ways that you interpret it.
    I know what the bible says about that and I believe that Jesus meant exactly what He said.
    If you don't that is for you to decide for you, but not for me.
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    #22

    Mar 24, 2009, 10:27 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by arcura View Post
    Tj3,
    I believe what Jesus said about that.
    And that is that God is the God of the living, not the dead and Jesus was referring to people who HAD past this life.
    "have you not read what was said to you by God,
    'I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not God of the dead, but of the living."
    Thanks,
    Fred...

    The Bible... The Word.... is in reference of Life (or) Death

    The meaning of satan is death...

    The meaning of God's love and Christ is Life... His children, those who follow have Life.
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    #23

    Mar 24, 2009, 10:45 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by arcura View Post
    Tj3,
    What Jesus said is clear.
    Those dead of the body are alive in the Lord God.
    Yes the living saints will die of the body but live in the Lord God.
    If you don't mind (or even if you do) I'll believe what Jesus said.
    There are 3 different verse that speak of where the dead of the flesh return.

    2 Corinthians 5:7-8

    Luke 16:24

    Ecclesiasters 12:6-7


    None say we can pray for them or to them... The Word makes it very clear that once your flesh leaves to return home to the Father, that there is no contact with the flesh of the earth.. (Luke 16:27) confirmed how we on earth have what was fulfilled in scripture, and once departed from the body you will go to one side of the gulf or the other.. . But by no means will you send messages of hope to brothers!
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    Mar 24, 2009, 11:04 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by arcura View Post
    Tj3,
    I believe all of the bible.
    I just do not believe some of the ways that you interpret it.
    I know what the bible says about that and I believe that Jesus meant exactly what He said.
    If you don't that is for you to decide for you, but not for me.
    Jesus did mean exactly what he said - and did not mean for verses to be taken out of context of what he said.
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    Mar 24, 2009, 02:55 PM
    This is what the topic is.
    What biblical support is there for asking saints to pray for us?
    I am interested in that nothing else.
    Thanks
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    Mar 24, 2009, 06:05 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by arcura View Post
    This is what the topic is.
    What biblical support is there for asking saints to pray for us?
    I am interested in that nothing else.
    Thanks
    Right - and the answer is clearly - None!
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    Mar 27, 2009, 11:22 AM

    Amazing that it took 26 posts to arrive at the same answer I said in post number 2!
    Thanks Tj3
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    Mar 27, 2009, 06:31 PM
    450donn
    But I do believe that The Saints in heaven CAN pray for us.
    Fred
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    Mar 27, 2009, 06:51 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by arcura View Post
    This is what the topic is.
    What biblical support is there for asking saints to pray for us?
    I am interested in that nothing else.
    Thanks
    If you are talking about the saints here on earth, yes, the Bible tells us to pray for each other. Of course, if we are saints here on earth, we don't need purgatory, do we.
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    Mar 27, 2009, 07:00 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by arcura View Post
    450donn
    But I do believe that The Saints in heaven CAN pray for us.
    Fred
    You can believe what you want but we are not discussing what YOU believe, but rather what the Bible says.
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    Mar 27, 2009, 07:11 PM
    Tj3,
    Then please tell me what bible passages support The theology that the Saints in heave or earth can pray for us.
    The question is NOT about asking for biblical passages which may be used in disfavor of that.
    Fred
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    Mar 27, 2009, 07:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by arcura View Post
    Tj3,
    Then please tell me what bible passages support The theology that the Saints in heave or earth can pray for us.
    The question is NOT about asking for biblical passages which may be used in disfavor of that.
    Fred
    Does this one qualify?

    1 Timothy 2:1-4 I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone— for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

    Or this one?

    James 5:13-16 Is any one of you in trouble? He should pray. Is anyone happy? Let him sing songs of praise. Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.
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    #33

    Mar 27, 2009, 07:28 PM
    Wondergirl,
    Very good.
    Those can be used for that.
    Thanks,
    Fred
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    Mar 27, 2009, 07:38 PM
    I think that for another saint to ask some 1 to pray for them you have to believe and have faith in god that he will answer your prayers I have faith and believe that god will be answer every body prayers just keep your faith.
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    Mar 27, 2009, 08:03 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by arcura View Post
    Tj3,
    Then please tell me what bible passages support The theology that the Saints in heave or earth can pray for us.
    I did - I said plenty for those on earth, but none for those in heaven
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    Mar 27, 2009, 08:09 PM
    Tj3,
    I'm not interested in your negatives.
    I'm looking for positive responses.
    Jesus said that God is the God of the living, not the dead.
    I believe Jesus.
    Fred
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    Mar 27, 2009, 08:13 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by arcura View Post
    Tj3,
    I'm not interested in your negatives.
    I'm looking for positive responses.
    Fred, an honest response is sometimes negative.

    Jesus said that God is the God of the living, not the dead.
    You do know that was a defense of the truth of the resurrections against the Sadduccees who denied it, don't you? You do know that it in no way contradicts the Biblical prohibition against communication with the dead, don't you?
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    Mar 27, 2009, 08:16 PM
    Yj3,
    I know what Jesus said and how He said it.
    It was positive.
    That is good enough for me.
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    #39

    Mar 27, 2009, 08:25 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by arcura View Post
    Yj3,
    I know what Jesus said and how He said it.
    It was positive.
    That is good enough for me.
    So if your interpretation taking it out of context is positive, that is all you need? Once you take it out of context, it is not God's word you are following, but yours. Here is the question that was being asked when that comment was made:

    Mark 12:18-20
    18 Then some Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to Him; and they asked Him, saying: 19 "Teacher, Moses wrote to us that if a man's brother dies, and leaves his wife behind, and leaves no children, his brother should take his wife and raise up offspring for his brother. 20 Now there were seven brothers. The first took a wife; and dying, he left no offspring.
    NKJV

    Do you believe God when He prohibited communication with the dead?

    Deut 18:10-14
    10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD, and because of these abominations the LORD your God drives them out from before you. 13 You shall be blameless before the LORD your God. 14 For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the LORD your God has not appointed such for you.
    NKJV
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    #40

    Mar 27, 2009, 09:09 PM
    Tj3,
    I do NOT take it out of context.
    Please quit with your false accusations.
    Fred
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