[Alty]

Then according to you the legal age for marriage should be in our 20's ? and if a 29 years old marries a 19 year old it should be considered child abuse??

If we don't need any scientific studies, then all we would be doing is enforcing our morals on other.

Nope, wrong. Sadly, the law is written that most people can legally marry at at least 18 years of age. Should they? Probably not, most of these young marriages don't last, that's a fact.

Once again, you brought up morals, we just responded in kind.

Check out gay divorces versus straight divorces. Want to bet who has a higher divorce rate?

Also, a 29 year old and 19 year old are considered adults, not children. If you can't vote, should you marry? Obviously you're not considered an adult until 18 years of age. So why should 16 year olds be allowed to marry? Doesn't make sense.

[starbuck8]

Then according to you the legal age for marriage should be in our 20's ? and if a 29 years old marries a 19 year old it should be considered child abuse??

If we don't need any scientific studies, then all we would be doing is enforcing our morals on other.

A 20 year old would not be a child would he/she. A 16 year old is still a child, according to all medical/scientific research, and when they reach the age of maturity and adulthood. This has little to do with morals. This is a matter of fact. I was stating that it is a medical fact that the human brain does not fully mature until into the 20's, and therefore so of the area's of the brain do not yet have the full capacity to understand repercussions, and choices that are made before their brain has fully developed.

But, this thread is about "Gay Marriage," and not the issue of someone else's "moral standards."

[Alty]

But, this thread is about "Gay Marriage," and not the issue of someone else's "moral standards."

Exactly. But the people against Gay marriage only have their so called "morals" to offer as a reason to ban Gay marriage.

I hope I live to see the day that people can accept other people for who and what they are. Maybe the next generation will be more understanding, more "blind" to all of these issues. Until then, let's hope that the people who already understand that being Gay, black, chinese, whatever, doesn't define who you are, can make enough of a difference to make this world a better place to live in, for all the people who live in it.

[starbuck8]

Exactly. But the people against Gay marriage only have their so called "morals" to offer as a reason to ban Gay marriage.

I hope I live to see the day that people can accept other people for who and what they are. Maybe the next generation will be more understanding, more "blind" to all of these issues. Until then, let's hope that the people who already understand that being Gay, black, chinese, whatever, doesn't define who you are, can make enough of a difference to make this world a better place to live in, for all the people who live in it.

Everyone should be able to live in the body they were born in. It's society that imposes their morals and way of thinking, on others. It doesn't mean we all need to agree or conform. People should be allowed to live a happy and productive life, no matter what lifestyle they choose, the color of their skin, or their religion. However, this should not be imposed or pushed down the throats of others who have different beliefs. Is it a point of contention for many, when we are trying to convince someone that white is white, and black is black --in a general sense, and not concerning ethnicticity--it is often hard for some very conservative people to swallow.

Did I just morph into a politician there? ;) haha.

[cozyk]

I am not kidding, as i said before the legal age to get married in almost all countries is 16.Could you please point me to any scientific studies that show that have sex while you are 16 is harmful, i can point you out to a lot which says that it is not.

What about the fact that you have not matured to a stage that you fully comprehend the fall out when you end up making a baby or with some life long disease. Sure, this happens to older people too but chances are, the younger you are, the less life experiences to reflect on, and the less capable you are to handle the consequences that sex could bring.. Do you know a 16 year old that has finished their education, has the ability to bring to a home that baby home to a place that the 16 yr old owns? Feed, it cloth it, put it in daycare while you work since you have to get money some way. Do you know a 16 yr old that is ready to settle down? Has their career up and going? Just because some countries allow marriage at 16 doesn't take away from the disasters that it could bring. Would you like to be the child of a 16 year old couple?

Please do point out the studies that show that it is not harmful.

[starbuck8]

I'm also awaiting the studies! Can we say "Octumum"? Okay, this is a different discussion, and this woman has serious issues, but a 16 yr. old that is "in loooove" does not have the capability to see around corners.

[Dare81]

I'm also awaiting the studies! Can we say "Octumum"? Okay, this is a different discussion, and this woman has serious issues, but a 16 yr. old that is "in loooove" does not have the capability to see around corners.

I am trying to find a link. I do have a job and family that I like to spend time with.Be patient

[Dare81]

[QUOTE=Altenweg;1575717]Nope, wrong. Sadly, the law is written that most people can legally marry at at least 18 years of age. Should they? Probably not, most of these young marriages don't last, that's a fact.

Once again, you brought up morals, we just responded in kind.

Check out gay divorces versus straight divorces. Want to bet who has a higher divorce rate?

All I said was morals differ from society to society, which is true.I was replying to your statement that it is immoral for a 16 year old to have sex or ,emotionally not suitable I guess is the right word, you still have not given be any scientific studies that prove this??

Unless you do, these are just your opinions, what you think is right.( YOUR MORALS).A19 year is considered an adult in society not by science.Science says that adults comletly mature around 20 years old

It is however a scientific and medical fact, that your brain does not fully develop, until you are well into your 20's. . ( Starbucks 8)

I am not arguing for or against gay marriages. I saw your statement which said that sex before 16 is harmful, which I think is wrong.

[Dare81]

g? Just because some countries allow marriage at 16 doesn't take away from the disasters that it could bring. Would you like to be the child of a 16 year old couple?

Please do point out the studies that show that it is not harmful.[/QUOTE]

Almost all countries marriage at 16 is legal. You can check the Wikipedia article that I have provided above

[inthebox]

Until then, let's hope that the people who already understand that being Gay, black, chinese, whatever, doesn't define who you are

Being Black or Asian or Hispanic or white or male or female or young or oold or fat or skinny for that matter - DOES define who you are. It is defined biologically. Different races and genders are predisposed to getting certain illnesses due to their race or gender.

People can SEE the difference.
It is blindness not to acknowledge this.
It is the first step to recognizing individual differences, and that we all don't have to look, think, act alike to get along.


You can't compare homosexuality. You can't "SEE" it when you pass someone on the street. They have to let you know. A woman can't be in the closet about the gender and neither can a black or Asian or Hispanic person.














G&P

[Alty]

You can't compare homosexuality. You can't "SEE" it when you pass someone on the street. They have to let you know. A woman can't be in the closet about the gender and neither can a black or Asian or Hispanic person.

I'm german, I bet you wouldn't be able to tell looking at me. I'm also heterosexual, but can you tell? I doubt it.

Your argument makes no sense.

[cozyk]

g? Just because some countries allow marriage at 16 doesn't take away from the disasters that it could bring. Would you like to be the child of a 16 year old couple?

Please do point out the studies that show that it is not harmful.

Almost all countries marriage at 16 is legal. You can check the Wikipedia article that I have provided above

[/QUOTE]
When are you going to provide the link to the studies that say sex at 16 is fine?

[starbuck8]

Quote:: You can't compare homosexuality. You can't "SEE" it when you pass someone on the street. They have to let you know. A woman can't be in the closet about the gender and neither can a black or Asian or Hispanic person.


This is not an entirely true statement all all, although this discussion is not about race, or ethnicity. You would be shocked at how well a male or female can hide their gender. You would also be very surprised at the number of Black, Asian, or Hispanic people that you would never have a clue they were of that race.

With that said, we don't need to pull out the race card here. This discussion is about Gay Marriage. This has really gone off topic.

[Dare81]

Even thought I can't find an online link to this book, the name of the book is
Mr Waites, The Age of Consent: Young People, Sexuality and Citizenship

He is Professor of sociology in Glasgow university Mattew Waites has added his voice to those calling for reduction in the age of consent from 16 to 14 in Britain.Other studies have shown that fixing the age of consent at 16 criminalises above 50% of young people in UK(INTERNATIONAL CHILD AND YOUTH CARE) NETWORK)

I have a couple of other studies but will have to find a link for those too.

[Dare81]

The Haworth Press Online Catalog: Article Abstract

[Dare81]

A 16 year old is still a child, according to all medical/scientific research, and when they reach the age of maturity and adulthood. This has little to do with morals.

Wrong again.


The fact is that even until the 18th century, reaching puberty meant becoming an “adult”, in terms of maturity, behavior and responsibility, as stated in the Journal of Social History, Online Etymology Dictionary, Journal of Marriage and the Family, and numerous academic references.

· Children now in developing countries now and then faced the daily struggle for physical and economic survival,[] and while this type of “environmental stress” actually causes puberty at a younger age, it is proven to have also speeded psychological maturity. This maturity helped in coping with the responsibilities of early marriage and childbearing.


·It was only in the industrial mid-18th century that psychological maturity started to delay, due to side effects that are proven to delay maturity such as: increasing comforts of life, diminished parental guidance and that “children remained children longer to complete their education


2“Life history theory” states that in a less stable environment, “natural selection will favor individuals that reproduce earlier... within a population


But, this thread is about "Gay Marriage," and not the issue of someone else's "moral standards."[/QUOTE]

Yes I know this thread is about gay marriage but I will say what I said before

I am not arguing for or against gay marriages. I saw ALTANWEG's statement which said that sex before 16 is harmful, which I think is wrong.Hence had to say something

[Dare81]

We aren't talking about Pakistan, we're talking about the US and making Gay marriage legal there. I live in Canada, we already allow Gay marriage. Are you saying that Canadians have no morals, or maybe we're just more open minded than most.

WOW.When did I say anything about no morals. All I said is in society the morals of the majority is the one that counts, be it wrong or right.



You are the one that brought the moral issue into this game. As Excon stated, the constitution says nothing about morals. Too many people with differing ideas, we shouldn't consider morals when deciding on legalities.

Bottom line, who does it hurt to allow Gay marriage? Does it effect you? I doubt it. No one here has said that churches have to allow Gay marriages, nor do they (that are supposed love all man kind and accept all man kind) have to accept gays into their church. That is their right, no one is going to take that away from them.

But, why should Gays not have the same rights as the rest of us? Just because they love someone of the same sex? Do you really think they would choose that course? Why would anyone choose something that would ostersize them from society? It's not a choice it's who they are, therefore they should be allowed the same rights as any other human being on this planet.

Like it or lump it, you brought morality into this, and that shouldn't even be considered.[/QUOTE]

I was just talking about sex at 16, WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?? In by the way gays should have the right to marry,

[starbuck8]

Dare, what are YOU talking about? She never said gay people shouldn't have the right to marry!

I read your "proof", and decided to not even comment on that cavemans theory, about the age of consent.

You are obviously being very confrontational, and I for one won't deal with you.

[ChihuahuaMomma]

Who are you or I to say what other people should do with their lives? As long as they are two consenting adults, what is the issue with any two PEOPLE marrying?

[Dare81]

Dare, what are YOU talking about? She never said gay people shouldn't have the right to marry!

I know she didn't.All I am saying is I am talking about sex at 16 not gay marriages.

I read your "proof", and decided to not even comment on that cavemans theory, about the age of consent.

You don't have to comment. It made sense to me.Maybe it does not to you. We each have a right to our opinion

You are obviously being very confrontational, and I for one won't deal with you.[/QUOTE]

I am sorry if I am coming across as confrontational, I am just a little frustrated. I apologize to anyone if I have hurt their feeling