[BABRAM]

He's even said his faith was Muslim. I believe he is not even a qualified American Presidential candidate/citizen by birth as he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii.

I'm sadden to read such statements. :rolleyes: Where did you hear that? Even if he was a closet Muslim, does that make him a bad person? And don't you think McCain would had brought Obama's citizenship disqualifications to issue, if possible?

[twinkiedooter]

I'm sadden to read such statements. :rolleyes: Where did you hear that? Even if he was a closet Muslim, does that make him a bad person? And don't you think McCain would had brought Obama's citizenship disqualifications to issue, if possible?

Obama said it himself on September 7, 2008 during an interview with George Stephanophalis. That his faith was Muslim.

McCain was actually booed on Friday at a crowd where they were trying to get him to say bad things about Obama. If anything McCain was standing up for the man. McCain does not have to run a dirty campaign.

Answer me this question. Where did Obama get his funny purple colored lips? This is not from his father. This is more a Middle Eastern trait or a trait from Indonesia (of all places). He looks nothing like his father or mother. I don't think that his father really was Obama Sr. And the name Obama is not a Kenyan name either.

[twinkiedooter]

twinkiedooter -

dang, you nailed the issue of Obama with a sledgehammer...I do think that he is a Muslim posing as a "Christian", although that's a term thrown around as loosely as any other. Not that you were making that comparison but I just wanted to add that.

He's a Marxist revolutionist in the vein of Che Guavarra who was a murderous thug posing as a revolutionary for freedom but was no such thing. Now, Obama has been clean and unconnected from any evil but I wonder what this guy is really like behind closed doors. The media adores him and seeks to preserve his Ivy League, pseudo-intellectual, white-collar image and he's being billed at the Messiah of the free world. It's crazy the way people worship this guy who we know really nothing about.

Wake me up when it's over.

The media adores Obama as they are TOLD to do this. The media does not listen to anyone other than the people who run the media. Any reporter who dares report the truth has a bad case of instant unemployment.

Obama has so many Socialist ideas and ideology that would spell the end of any sort of American freedom we now have.

What really bothers me about this man is - Why would he write a book about his father and his early life a few years ago? Makes no sense to me other than a set up by the Trilateral Commission. Who cared or even knew who this guy was a few years ago?

Also, he went on in his own book to say how he did drugs - and a lot of them. Do you really want some druggie in office? I don't. George W is/was a drunk. Obama did pot and cocaine and supposedly shunned heroine. He said this in his own book. I am just paraphrasing it.

[NeedKarma]

Answer me this question. Where did Obama get his funny purple colored lips?

I think we get a good picture of your mindset now.

[magprob]

Purple lips? Maybe he is using grape popcicles to stop smoking? Humm... purple lips... That's it, he is really an alien. It's true! The lizard reptilians are infiltrating the government faster than we thought! OH MY GOD! Where is my tin foil hat. Wait, I think only aluminum will work for the reptilian species.
I'll get back to you on that.

[magprob]

YouTube - Burning Down The House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis?

[twinkiedooter]

NK - My mindset is to point out that a black person does not have those funny purple colored lips and that his funny colored lips come from a different racial genetic background. And yes, some of my friends just happen to be black - from African ancestry and they have pointed this peculiar coloration out to me that I had not fully noticed before.

What is so chilling about this man Obama is that his wife at the convention said he would be a "taskmaster". If you say that word to anyone from Africa they will immediately say that particular word is highly associated with slavery. Why would she use that particular word of all the words in the English language to choose from when describing her husband? Maybe she is trying to give us a big hint of what is to come.

Also, he insists that everyone should have a job. That's nice to know. Just where are these jobs supposedly going to materialize from since almost all American jobs have been happily shipped overseas by corporations who got fat tax breaks to do so? America used to manufacture some wonderful goods, but now we have few and no factories left producing anything affordable as China and Mexico now have all the jobs there making goods at slave wages selling the goods over here for high prices making the corporations richer than ever. Do you really think that mindset of the corporations is going to change? No.

Ah, Uncle Stalin and Uncle Lenin would be proud of their little Amerikaska nephew, Obama.

Russia overthrew the Communists as that system did not work.

Do we want to have to go through the motions of overthrowing Communism in this country?

I don't.

[twinkiedooter]

YouTube - Burning Down The House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis?

I liked your video. Everyone should watch to the end. You are bound to learn some things that could open your eyes to what is really the situation in America today.

One thing that really bothers me (and should bother everyone as well) is that Obama has ceased taking campaign contributions from us "little people" and is only taking money from corporations. What part of that picture is wrong/right? There is a term for this - I think it's called Corporate Wh*re.

I guess if you're one of those wealthy CEO's who has a Golden Parachute waiting for you to the tune of $20 million, please ignore this post.

Oh, gasoline is now $2.59 a gallon for regular here in this part of Ohio and keeps going down. Now I can afford(?) to drive to work 6 days a week and not have to fork over $50+ per week on gasoline. I'd rather fritter my money away buying dumb stuff like food.

[BABRAM]

Obama said it himself on September 7, 2008 during an interview with George Stephanophalis. That his faith was Muslim.

Obama was addressing McCain surrogate/supporters campaigning that false notion (not McCain himself or his hired professional campaigners)...

"My Christian faith," Obama quickly said. "Well, what I'm saying is that he (McCain) hasn't suggested that I'm a Muslim. And I think that his campaign's upper echelons have not, either. What I think is fair to say is that, coming out of the Republican camp, there have been efforts to suggest that perhaps I'm not who I say I am when it comes to my faith – something which I find deeply offensive, and that has been going on for a pretty long time.""

Facts about Obama and his heritage are found in the following link...

snopes.com: Who Is Barack Obama?

McCain was actually booed on Friday at a crowd where they were trying to get him to say bad things about Obama. If anything McCain was standing up for the man. McCain does not have to run a dirty campaign.

Those uneducated fools that booed McCain all owe him an apology. It was wonderful to see John McCain remove the microphone from the older women that made the racist comment about Obama.

Answer me this question. Where did Obama get his funny purple colored lips? This is not from his father. This is more a Middle Eastern trait or a trait from Indonesia (of all places). He looks nothing like his father or mother. I don't think that his father really was Obama Sr. And the name Obama is not a Kenyan name either.

Answer: Neither from Indonesia, Kenya, or the Middle East. I have a second home in SE Asia. Those "funny purple colored lips," are the product of mixed skin tones, diet, and other health related issues. You appear to have a very narrow criteria that meets your satisfaction. I'm just curious while we are in an Q & A session... do you have any problems with Jews, if one were in the position to possibly be the next president?

[twinkiedooter]

YouTube - Know Enough?

Babram - watch this one minute video and then tell me just how wonderful he is. What is YOUR excuse for his association with William Ayres?

No, I have no problem with Jews as FDR was of Jewish ancestry hence a Jew.

Oh, also Obama in his own book was citing his Muslim religion. I don't think he qualifies as a "closet Muslim" as you put it.

I don't have a narrow criteria as you put it. I just don't want someone in this country's highest elected position of President who has mob connections and terrorist connections and can't prove his citizenship eligibility to run for that position. Why did he travel using an Indonesian passport when he is supposedly an American citizen a few years ago after age 18? Oh, just coincidence, nothing to worry about. I guess he just had this lying around his home and decided to use it instead of his American passport which he did not have at the time. Guess that's okay too.

Also, he is not qualified legally to hold ANY elected position in this country and that includes his present position of US Senator. He is essentially an "illegal alien".

Why did a Federal Judge order him on September 29, 2008 to produce the following certified documents?

1. Obama's vault version (certified copy of his "original" version) Birth Certificate and


2. A certified copy of Obama's Certification of Citizenship


3. A certified copy of Obama's Oath of Allegiance.

This is in the case of Berg vs. Obama in Federal Court. Obama has continually filed Motions to Dismiss the lawsuit and stonewall any disclosure of the documents requested. If he would produce the documents the suit would end then and there. No, he can't produce these documents so he has his attorneys stall for time (a time honored practice among defense attorneys when their client cannot produce documents, etc). Why would he NOT produce these documents if he was truly on the up and up? Answer me that Babram? You can't.

[Skell]

It's crazy the way people worship this guy who we know really nothing about.

Like jesus, god?? I agree!! Very crazy indeed!

[Skell]

Sorry twinkiedoodle,

But you win the award of craziest lunatic on this site. It used to be magprob but to be quite honest I'm believing more of what he says everyday. Maybe he has been right all along. Yes, even though I like him, it scares me to believe him, but I can't control it. You on the other hand hand have completely lost it! Purple lips!! Bwa ha ha ha ha ha! If it weren't so hilarious id feel sorry for you.

[magprob]

What? Somebody actually believes me? Well, we'll see about that... fur sure. Don't fall for it. I was sent here by the evil ones to twist your mind. Twinkie can't hold a candle to me. Really! I am the craziest person here and I refuse to take second place to any one. ANYONE I TELL YOU!!
I talk to Aliens... the big reptilian type. I had a baby with a female bigfoot I tell you.
I really don't have a tin foil hat. I like to listen to them. Hell, I even hear voices in the high power lines. They tell me when to go to the bathroom.

[BABRAM]

YouTube - Know Enough?

Babram - watch this one minute video and then tell me just how wonderful he is. What is YOUR excuse for his association with William Ayres?

For starters I prefer to work off facts, not excuses. Anybody can make a video for Youtube. Secondly, William's surname is not "Ayres," it's Ayers. Thirdly, playing the six degree separation game has G. Gordon Liddy doing lap dances on John McCain. BTW, personally I find neither Ayers or Liddy all that wonderful.

Obama's 'Weatherman' Connection - Fact Checker


The Facts

"The first article in the mainstream press linking Obama to Ayers appeared in the London Daily Mail on February 2. It was written by Peter Hitchens, the right-wing brother of the left-wing firebrand turned Iraq war supporter, Christopher Hitchens. Hitchens cited the Ayers connection to bolster his argument that Obama is "far more radical than he would like us to know."

The Hitchens piece was followed by a Bloomberg article last week pointing to the Ayers connection as support for Hillary Clinton's contention that Obama might not be able to withstand the "Republican attack machine." Larry Johnson, a former counterterrorism official at the CIA and the State Department, predicted that the Republicans would seize on the Ayers case, and other Chicago relationships, to "bludgeon Obama's presidential aspirations into the dust."

The London Sunday Times joined the chorus this weekend by reporting that Republicans were "out to crush Barack by painting him as a leftwinger with dubious support".

The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200 contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. Ayers did not respond to e-mails and telephone calls requesting clarification of the relationship. Obama spokesman Bill Burton noted in a statement that Ayers was a professor of education at the University of Illinois and a former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley, and continued:

Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.

In the short term, the person who has most to gain by speculation about Obama's acquaintance with a former terrorist is Hillary Clinton. The former First Lady likes to present herself as "tested and vetted" after years of exposure to Republican attacks, in contrast to Obama, a relative newcomer to hardscrabble presidential politics. Such arguments resonate with Johnson, the counterterrorism expert, who told me that he is a Clinton supporter, although not involved with the campaign.

But the Obama-Ayers link is a tenuous one. As Newsday pointed out, Clinton has her own, also tenuous, Weatherman connection. Her husband commuted the sentences of a couple of convicted Weather Underground members, Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans, shortly before leaving office in January 2001. Which is worse: pardoning a convicted terrorist or accepting a campaign contribution from a former Weatherman who was never convicted?

Whatever his past, Ayers is now a respected member of the Chicago intelligentsia, and still a member of the Woods Fund Board. The president of the Woods Fund, Deborah Harrington, said he had been selected for the board because of his solid academic credentials and "passion for social justice."

"This whole connection is a stretch," Harrington told me. "Barack was very well known in Chicago, and a highly respected legislator. It would be difficult to find people round here who never volunteered or contributed money to one of his campaigns.""

[twinkiedooter]

Here's some purple lip photos of the man for starters. His coloration is more like someone from either Malaysia or Indonesia.

[twinkiedooter]

You said: "For starters I prefer to work off of facts, not excuses"

What is your "excuse" for his Federal lawsuit and a Federal Judge telling him to produce a certified birth certificate, certification of citizenship and oath of allegiance?

P.S. The Washington Post is a joke. Now maybe if you said the WSJ or the NYTimes, I'd pay attention to an article, but the Washington Post, not in this lifetime. Sorry. Fact Checker is a joke to put it mildly.

[jjwoodhull]

So, back to the original question...

I don't want either for president. That said - I think Obama will win.

[magprob]

My GOD! Enough about those purple lips.
I want to talk about those ears! They look just like those cute little mushrooms that grow on fallen logs deep, deep in the rain forest. Don't they? That could mean he is of the Elfin tribe. Couldn't it?

[BABRAM]

No, I have no problem with Jews as FDR was of Jewish ancestry hence a Jew.

FDR never ran on national election platform being known as Jewish. Many Gentiles, with all respect, have a little Jewish ancestry if you shake the tree hard enough. So you're OK with Jews, if one were to ever one run for president. What about Muslims?

Oh, also Obama in his own book was citing his Muslim religion. I don't think he qualifies as a "closet Muslim" as you put it..

No, he didn't. snopes.com: Who Is Barack Obama?

I don't have a narrow criteria as you put it. I just don't want someone in this country's highest elected position of President who has mob connections and terrorist connections and can't prove his citizenship eligibility to run for that position.


Why did he travel using an Indonesian passport when he is supposedly an American citizen a few years ago after age 18? Oh, just coincidence, nothing to worry about. I guess he just had this lying around his home and decided to use it instead of his American passport which he did not have at the time. Guess that's okay too.

Also, he is not qualified legally to hold ANY elected position in this country and that includes his present position of US Senator. He is essentially an "illegal alien".

HUH? So as an illegal alien, instead of dodging the government and go into hiding, he decided to become more visual to the public as a senator, then run for president. That is very special logic that you are applying to Obama's life story. I disagree with you, but it makes for great drama. BTW people do have dual citizenship.

On another note... I know there are a fair share of goody-two-shoe people seeking political perfection in candidates. On my father's side of the family I have two cousins in the mafia and both spent time in prison. Everybody on this board has had some questionable connections. Trust me, nobody can being voting for John McCain worried about connections. The fact is you can't run for president without satisfying that criteria to our US government. Barack Obama has already done so, and to the satisfaction of John McCain.

[twinkiedooter]

America's Right

There is a video with Attorney Philip Berg discussing his lawsuit against Obama on this site that is most interesting.

Also, there is a lengthy article about the Bill Ayers topic that says quite a different tune than that of the Washington Post. The article is about 10 inches down from the video on the site.

Mag - he's not an elfin - he's a clone. The clone has ears from George W except he's not white.

You cannot have dual citizenship and run for President of the United States.

Also, here is a PDF file of the Plaintiff Philip Berg vs. Obama filed in Federal Court on September 29, 2008. I find it most interesting reading as Mr. Berg is an attorney who knows his facts. Maybe you could learn something as well if you bother to read it and improve your personal information on the topic.

Mr. Berg can be sued for libel if his suit is untrue in any way. Why would he jeopardise his professional standing with a bogus lawsuit?