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Mar 12, 2015, 04:47 PM
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From YOUR link,
There was anger that he had been allowed to quit instead of being fired — his contract was due to end in May and he will now receive a year's paid leave.
And his nice pension.
Americans have a right to protest.
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Mar 13, 2015, 05:06 AM
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No he was offered an honerable solution and he took it, it is the way of beauracracy, you work for a pension and you are entitled to take it. It is a reward for past service and he must have done something right and if he was given a golden parachute just remember there is nowhere he is going to get a job at the same level again. The way I see it his contact probably had an early termination clause and you are reading the press beatup which is trying to inflame the locals and get some more revenue out of the result. Gutter press they call it or the polite name is tabloid. Look if his department was heavy handed on one segment of the population remember that they were providing opportunity or do you think traffic tickets are invented, or drug offences don't happen except in the mind of the police
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Mar 13, 2015, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by paraclete
No he was offered an honerable solution and he took it, it is the way of beauracracy, you work for a pension and you are entitled to take it. It is a reward for past service and he must have done something right and if he was given a golden parachute just remember there is nowhere he is going to get a job at the same level again.
His past service was as police chief of a department that was DISBANDED, and maybe given the FACTS of his service HISTORY, he should NOT be rewarded and it would be an act of justice he NEVER gets a job of this level ever again.
The way I see it his contact probably had an early termination clause and you are reading the press beatup which is trying to inflame the locals and get some more revenue out of the result.
Getting fired would have been a just reward, and you cannot assume what his contract says.
Gutter press they call it or the polite name is tabloid.
Does that include your own presses regurgitated account of events?
Look if his department was heavy handed on one segment of the population remember that they were providing opportunity or do you think traffic tickets are invented, or drug offences don't happen except in the mind of the police
No wonder your rant is more of a ramble, you have NO facts just assumption based on your own bias, but I respect your right to your opinion, but the facts are pointing elsewhere. Yes the traffic tickets are invented and inflated beyond reasonable limits. What you don't know, is its worse in surrounding counties, and prevalent nationwide.
Keep defending institutional wrongdoing, and the REAL criminals that do it. Supporting such corruption is the problem that you have made yourself part of... on the wrong side.
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Mar 13, 2015, 06:30 AM
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Tal it sounds like you got a bad case of corruption over there, we used to have police forces like that here but we never made the mistake of having local law enforcement. What we got is a Commission against Corruption and it has taken down many a good ole boy including state politicians who thought they were above the law, You should get yourself one or two. As to my press version of events they only regurgitate what your sindicated press puts out, you might have noticed my verson of events came from the ABC a somewhat respected organisation in some parts of the world because they have no commercial axe to grind or media mogals with big agendas but they only have correspondents in your "fair" land.
I personally am for responsible policing but it needs to be without bias, which is very difficult when you have a community which doesn't respect the law and a law which doesn't respect the community. I cite recent events as evidence of my statement and my perch is secure on the spectator fence. i'm interested in the outcome because we have a certain element here who take their lead from your "civil rights" movement and if they see lawlessness succeeding we can expect they will try the same tactics and claim police brutality, bias, etc.. I am very much in sympathy with a community which has probably seen enough of violent protest and so I see the resignation, if that is what it was, as progress towards a brighter future and not a negative. Someone had to fall on their sword and it was his turn. I expect the Governor of that state should be next for allowing this situation to get as far as it has, but the electorate can deal with him, because you cannot say this situation would not have been apparent from afar off
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Mar 13, 2015, 06:50 AM
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It's still regurgitated news, second hand at best, and no inkling of independent investigation, so take it with a grain of salt as you should.
Glad your system works for you, but as I have told you many times before, the US has 5 times the people as Australia, and as you grow, so will the complexities of your own society, and structure, and the issues associated with that growth, so stop comparing us, to you, with your nose in the air like you have solved all your problems.
You are just getting started on your island.
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Mar 13, 2015, 08:45 AM
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but we never made the mistake of having local law enforcement.
exactly what the emperor wants policing controlled by Washington. That in a nut shell what this is all about.
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Mar 13, 2015, 09:29 AM
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Yeah, because the locals are doing such a great job without Washington, right?
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Mar 13, 2015, 02:05 PM
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what better way to consolidate power in the central government ? !!!! A Common Core for policing ! It's already in motion with 'The President's Task Force on21st Century Policing ' that was published last week ;conveniently around the same time as this Ferguson report by the Justice Dept . Coincidence ? I don't think so.
http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/pdf/taskfo..._TF_Report.pdf
It also comes a couple months after UN Sec General Ban Ki Moon called for the US police forces to comply with international standards ;whatever that means.
The emperor said :
“I’m going to be asking Eric Holder and the Justice Department and his successor to go through all of these recommendations so that we can start implementing them,” .... “I know one area that’s going to be of great interest is whether we can expand the [DOJ Office of Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS)] program that in the past has been very effective, continues to be effective, but is largely underfunded.”
And there is the key to his plan . He will continuously add more conditions to Federal funding that goes to local policing ;forcing them to toe the line. Of course that course of action would require Congressional consent ......except that we live in a post -Constitutional America.
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Mar 13, 2015, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by talaniman
It's still regurgitated news, second hand at best, and no inkling of independent investigation, so take it with a grain of salt as you should.
You obviously have no idea of how media works, stories about you are purchased from wire services, ditto for us. I have seen verbatum news articles about us on CNN that featured in local newspapers and vice a versa. Murdoch who owns News is Australian and his media empire originated here so don't look down your nose about our news services because you are looking down your nose at your own
Glad your system works for you, but as I have told you many times before, the US has 5 times the people as Australia, and as you grow, so will the complexities of your own society, and structure, and the issues associated with that growth, so stop comparing us, to you, with your nose in the air like you have solved all your problems.
Yes sometimes it does but once again you show your ignorance of us, The US is 15 times the population but we are not divdied up into 50 little states so our solutions are executed for state populations which may be similar to yours in many instances. However, we have an economy which is among the top twenty in the world demonstrating that our people are highly productive so we must be doing something right.It is big enough to face the loss of our car industry without whinning about it. If we have issues with growth it is that it is slowing down. If you think about these factors, as a reasoning man should, you would not be so dismissive because we are not the fountain of all wisdom and nor are you.
You are just getting started on your island
Again the dismissive as if you think about us like we are Haiti. You tell us not to look down our nose at you and yet you do the same to us. You are like the Oozlum bird, You should come down out of that rarified atmosphere sometime.This is not a little island, it is a land as vast and diverse as your own. The sixth largest country in the world not counting its Antarctic and marine territories. We have pastoral enterprises bigger than some of your states.You think of your own state as big, it is just a postage stamp compared to some.
It is for the most part well governed with less social problems because we have never permitted ourselves to be tainted by slavery and repression. Our history is not short and if we count the tales of some early inhabitants 40,000 years but our recent 200 year history is not something to be dismissed, it just wasn't as bloody as yours. We didn't need two revolutions to create our nation.
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Mar 14, 2015, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by paraclete
You obviously have no idea of how media works, stories about you are purchased from wire services, ditto for us. I have seen verbatum news articles about us on CNN that featured in local newspapers and vice a versa. Murdoch who owns News is Australian and his media empire originated here so don't look down your nose about our news services because you are looking down your nose at your own
That's a fair assessment, as I reject most what I call GENERIC news accounts be they yours, or the ones I have available.
Yes sometimes it does but once again you show your ignorance of us, The US is 15 times the population but we are not divdied up into 50 little states so our solutions are executed for state populations which may be similar to yours in many instances. However, we have an economy which is among the top twenty in the world demonstrating that our people are highly productive so we must be doing something right.It is big enough to face the loss of our car industry without whinning about it. If we have issues with growth it is that it is slowing down. If you think about these factors, as a reasoning man should, you would not be so dismissive because we are not the fountain of all wisdom and nor are you.
I do not dismiss the people or politics of your island at all Clete. You have much to be proud of, and hopeful about. Lets be clear it is YOUR dismissive attitude I blast, because I see it as both prejudiced and narrow, and take offense at your comparisons of my apples, and your oranges that boosts your ego by trying to take the US down a few pegs.
We didn't whine when our auto industry faced great challenges either, we overcame the challenges. Should I beat you over the head with that FACT, and claim intellectual superiority? That would be vastly unfair on my part wouldn't it?
Again the dismissive as if you think about us like we are Haiti. You tell us not to look down our nose at you and yet you do the same to us. You are like the Oozlum bird, You should come down out of that rarified atmosphere sometime.This is not a little island, it is a land as vast and diverse as your own. The sixth largest country in the world not counting its Antarctic and marine territories. We have pastoral enterprises bigger than some of your states.You think of your own state as big, it is just a postage stamp compared to some.
Quit making this about YOUR country Clete, as I always explain its about your opinions, and viewpoints, that we fail to agree on, and yes I do tend to be dismissive in that context of disagreement.
It is for the most part well governed with less social problems because we have never permitted ourselves to be tainted by slavery and repression. Our history is not short and if we count the tales of some early inhabitants 40,000 years but our recent 200 year history is not something to be dismissed, it just wasn't as bloody as yours. We didn't need two revolutions to create our nation.
You have to admit that you came along at the right time in history Clete, to avoid major wars and revolutions, I mean your colonizers left without a war, ours got the boot. So it was a case of more luck than skill, sorry to blow your bubble, but you still insist of comparing apples to oranges.
Your social problems will grow more complex when you have a more diverse and larger amount of cats to herd, Clete. I refer you to India, and China much older and larger in population than either of our nations. Or Europe, for that matter, yet we all are affected by global conditions, some more than others, and some actually make those policies, while some prosper in such a climate, expansion brings it's own cause and effects growth disparities.
When I refer to "YOU", I seldom mean your country, but what YOU have written and opined. There is a huge difference!
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Mar 14, 2015, 03:41 PM
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Tal I think I know when you are making a personal comment and let's put it this way we didn't come along at the right time in history, ours was an unknown land further from Europe than your own. Big difference between 3,000 miles and 12,000 miles. You could liken colonising Australia to colonising Mars. We didn't have revolution here because the British having had experience with unruly colonials in the americas suppressed any spark before it could gather momentum, and we didn't have 200 years to build up our population, also our people did not possess financial resources as yours did so we couldn't be conveniently taxed. The British also learned that permitting a certain level of local autonomy can also be in their favour and we had an orderly transition
In some respects we face similar challenges we both have systems of government that fail to implement good policy because of partisanism but externally we have similar views on tackling challenges. Internally, our methods and policies are very different and our views are not as polarised as yours
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Mar 15, 2015, 02:06 AM
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I'm not sure what conclusion I'm supposed to draw from that, a mad man walking along a road? Or someone making a video of the snow, but a threat to public order, probably not. You obviously have a different level of tolerance because if it was a public carry here he would he bagged and tagged, not necessarily in that order
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Mar 15, 2015, 02:14 AM
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That's the sort of the reaction I thought you would have.
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Mar 15, 2015, 02:22 AM
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He wouldn't have to be black for that to happen we take guns seriously and we don't assume personal rights eclipse public safety anyway our "blacks" don't carry guns, we have not yet annoyed them to the point where they feel they need to
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Mar 15, 2015, 02:26 AM
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Good for you.
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Mar 15, 2015, 02:32 AM
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Yes Tal it is good for us because we don't need our police to feel every encounter is a potential kill or be killed. Nor does the average citizen need to feel intimidated by the presence of such people.
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Mar 16, 2015, 03:46 AM
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Mar 16, 2015, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by talaniman
We dont know at this time why the police were called to the walmart. There is very little to go on other then what the girlfriend is saying. Id like to see the video before passing judgement on that one.
As far as the boy being shot that is different in that the police got a call saying someone was producing a gun and pointing it at people. There was no reliable source as to if it was fake or not until it was over. It is sad that it happened but if someone is waving a gun or mistakenly pulls it out even if it is fake then your most likely going to be shot.
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