[Dark_crow]

I just did a quick Google search for: Canadian example of Affirmative action

There were several hundred links; apparently you are missing something going on there.

[NeedKarma]

Yup I must be.

[BABRAM]

here was Andrew Sullivan's case for the Obama Presidency in Atlantic Magazine


Goodbye to All That: Why Obama Matters
See ??? Some of Obama's biggest supporters think that first and foremost his face is his greatest qualification . He would not be the embodiment of post-racial America. One of his biggest supporters in one of America's most prestigious publications says that the symbolism of the Obama campaign is it's greatest asset .

Tom-

Nope, not even close. Ferraro was not complimenting nor was she supporting Obama, Sullivan was. To put this in perspective, if, and I do mean (since she's pulled similar stunts before) "if,"Ferraro would had complimented on Barack for his multi-ethnicity/racial make-up, being the right person to take on the task of presidency at time when the face of America has sorely been lacking diplomacy, it would had never came to issue. But that's not what happened. She made it absolutely clear that his candidacy was based on skin color that resulted from being lucky. She actually perpetuated two offences: first her racist remark and secondly the blatant dismissal of his civil law, senator experience, and superior educated communication skills, i.e. Ronald Reagan. Obama, took the highroad in hoping to keep Democratic party dissension to a minimum and shrugged off the racial indication part. It's a challenge dealing with the Clinton's campaign shenanigans, as the Republicans very well remember.

[BABRAM]

It's pathetically amusing to hear those who believe race should not be an issue in the primaries.

Wow-wow-wee! I agree with DC. Moshiach must be coming soon! :rolleyes: The challenge to overcome differences is an intricate part of living in the United States. We are the melting pot, a blend, or stir-fry, a nation that's made up of many people: cultures, ethnicity, and races. What most people are concerned about is negative racism and divisiveness.

[N0help4u]

If I remember correctly Hillary made it about race with her comments months ago.

[tomder55]

OK so let me see if I get it . It is OK to bring up matters of race if you are his supporter (see comments from Sullivan and Rev Wright ) ;but not if you do not support him . I can tell you that there is not a racist bone in Gerry Ferraro's body. She has a long history of supporting a diverse constituency.

I think we have to get past the PC restrictions we build to honestly discuss race. It is no secret that a big part of his appeal is his color to his supporters. (see Joe Biden's comments) . There is nothing wrong with that is there ? Wasn't this exactly what affirmative action was supposed to accomplish ?

Be honest ;do you really think he would've been the keynote speaker at the 2004 convention if he was a white State Senator from Chicago ? Hey give him credit ;he has made the most of his opportunities .But the fact is that the Democrats have longed for someone like Obama to come along to hitch their wagon to. If it wasn't for the fact that they have a woman running against him it wouldn't even be close. Identity politics is a Democrat thing.

[NeedKarma]

I hope the black guy wins so he can overcome his challenges. Everyone should vote for the black guy.

[tomder55]

Branch Rickey of the Brooklyn Dodgers understood that to break the race barrier in baseball he had to field a black player who could at least play at the major league level. He went even further and selected as the first black player a man who's skill and ability were unquestionable. Obama has not demonstrated that he has what it takes to be the President of the United States . I'll vote for the person who has best demonstrated it through years of service... not two novices who's greatest asset is their race or gender.

[NeedKarma]

Obama has not demonstrated that he has what it takes to be the President of the United States . I'll vote for the person who has best demonstrated it through years of service .....not two novices who's greatest asset is their race or gender.

That's your opinion. There are millions who differ with you. A change is need for sure, not the McSame or Hillary.

[kp2171]

Sad thing is I don't believe he wants support based on race... sure, he's glad to be getting black support in the south and urban areas... but this infighting about race and gender... I really don't think it comes from him at all.

I'm not crazy about him (or any of the candidates), but I think when race and gender have popped up, its been because someone on clintons side whines about it.

Bill, several months ago, reaches out for sympathy stating he can't change his wife, that she isn't young and male... thereby pushing the female guilt button. Guess what? She's been gaining strength in that area after obama had been eroding that base slowly.

Now... ferraro throws this noise in the mix. Don't think that its not going to echo through some voters minds? I have a smart wife... sharp as nails... but she once said, half sarcastically, but also in frustration "any woman in the white house is better than a man right now"...

To which I said "wow! really? ...reverse sexism?"

Her reply "i dont care. break down the wall. theres sexism now. if youre going to fight bare fisted, why shouldnt i?"

So I get her point... we all have heard people (some guy) make noise about a female in charge. And the refreshing thing about this campaign is, like the candidates or not, I think the gender/race issues hasn't been much of a front page issue.. at least in terms of being trumpeted out in front until a story like ferraro comes along.

I think a number of obama supporters are voting for him just as often for his being dynamic, charismatic, young, and idealistic.

Getting off track... my point about the discussion with my wife about a female commander in chief is that some element of "need to vote for my sister in arms" is, and was, present. Its like gender pressure, whether you are a woman or a man. Some will support her, in part, for that cause.

Ferarro might be off the campaign officially, but now she's a prominent female "marytr" for the campaign who can say what she wants. This will likely infuriate the base obama has built, but maybe gender guilt will echo through enough undecideds to make a difference.

[tomder55]

but I think when race and gender have popped up, its been because someone on clintons side whines about it.

Yeah Hillary's a " monster " isn't she ?

None of this is new . What Rev Jeremiah Wright has said is just regurgitation of stuff Noam Chomsky or Ward Churchill has said previously... or what Hillary and Obama secretely think even if they don't say it themselves (that is what they have expendable people like Adelfa Callejo and Samantha Power around for ) .

I love it that this house of sticks the Democrats constructed is falling down on them . They love it that everyone is a hyphenated-American and wonder when the parts of the whole return to their sphere when matters of power are in play.

Stay in line Obama . First we were supposed to get the first female President ;then the first black President ;then the first Hispanic ,Jewish,gay ,Presidents etc.

[speechlesstx]

Stay in line Obama . First we were supposed to get the first female President ;then the first black President ;then the first Hispanic ,Jewish,gay ,Presidents etc.

I thought we already had the first black president. I think the show the Dems are putting on his hilarious. It was just a year and a half ago they were supposedly so united, had come together in a unified bid to take over congress. They've virtually spoken as one voice using the same talking points and now they have to choose between two historic options while simultaneously erasing the very social consciousnesses they stand for.

For months we've heard from his supporters how race is very much one of the reasons to elect Obama, that Mr. Diversity himself is going to unite and offer the bridge to healing all the racial divides among us. Or that Hillary is chipping away at the glass ceiling, I am Woman, Hear Me Roar!

Now we have black pastors spouting anti-American rhetoric and preaching Obama knows what it's like to be a black man in a world run by rich white people. We have liberal trailblazers who are anything but racist being ostracized for "injecting racism" into the campaign and feminist icons saying "A majority of Americans want redemption for racism, for our terrible destructive racist past and so see a vote for Obama as redemptive."

I've heard it suggested that Pelosi would be entirely unhappy with a female president taking the spotlight away from her. Will we get a Pelosi endorsement of Obama soon and watch the cat fight begin? She almost did in January:

"The buzz in the speaker's office Monday was not about Bush's address, but about Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy's fiery speech earlier endorsing Democrat Barack Obama... 'Did you ever see anything like that?' asked Pelosi. 'Transferring the mantle from John F. Kennedy to Barack Obama. It was the most stunning thing. I mean, I couldn't take my eyes off it. And I didn't have any time to sit there and watch TV, you know - we had a whole schedule. I just was mesmerized by it.'

Al Sharpton ready to march on Florida - all those disenfranchised voters there and in Michigan. What to do, what to do?

[NeedKarma]

What to do, what to do?

You're doing your bit here however fruitless it is. The american public however is doing something else.

[N0help4u]

You're doing your bit here however fruitless it is. The american public however is doing something else.

What is it the american public is doing that is something else?

I know the candidates ARE doing their own thing rather than the
By the people, for the people

Someone said a couple months ago that the in-fighting that the Dems were going to start doing over the first lady vs first black pres. Was going to reveal their true tolerance they preach.

[NeedKarma]

what is it the american public is doing that is something else?

Enjoying that candidate instead of tearing him down daily.

Someone said a couple months ago that the in-fighting that the Dems were going to start doing over the first lady vs first black pres. was going to reveal their true tolerance they preach.

I think people are indeed quite ashamed of Clinton's tactics.

[N0help4u]

Enjoying that candidate instead of tearing him down daily.

I think people are indeed quite ashamed of Clinton's tactics.

When it comes to Clinton vs Obama
I say GO OBOMA GET THAT ________

When it comes to Clinton Obama McCain
All I can say is Woe is USA!

[NeedKarma]

Agreed!

[Dark_crow]

Wow-wow-wee! I agree with DC. Moshiach must be coming soon! :rolleyes: The challenge to overcome differences is an intricate part of living in the United States. We are the melting pot, a blend, or stir-fry, a nation that's made up of many people: cultures, ethnicity, and races. What most people are concerned about is negative racism and divisiveness.

Good Gracious, the lord has provided another child with a sliver of light:) …praise God. I’ll be praying for you.

[speechlesstx]

You're doing your bit here however fruitless it is. The american public however is doing something else.

Fruitless? LOL, Obama is finally getting the scrutiny he deserves over the issues raised in the blogosphere and elsewhere and the media can no longer ignore it.You guys seem to think only Republican candidates - or now Hillary - deserve to have every pore of their being scrutinized. Obama supporters hopes of him sliding by are now gone, he's going to have to do more than change the subject now. So regardless of what the American people are (or were) doing they're now going to have to consider the negatives - and rightly so.

I've been entirely fair to Obama, I've defended him repeatedly on these boards against the slimy attacks on his secretly being a Muslim and being unpatriotic and said I like the guy. But, I'm not going to let him get by without the scrutiny that's appropriate for someone aspiring to be the next president. We aren't electing a cheerleader, we're electing someone to run the country. If you want a cheerleader for your country great, but I want someone that does more than inspire.

Steve
P.S. If that's the only response to my arguments and the evidence you seem to be able to muster then my efforts have been a smashing success. :D

[N0help4u]

Scrutiny is a perfect word and they ALL need it to the max and then some! :D