[Dark_crow]

It's pathetically amusing to hear those who believe race should not be an issue in the primaries; that is no more than the utopian belief of the Left that society can be shaped to perfection. Race is an issue and it ought to be; to do otherwise is an attempt to suppress the great strides towards equal rights for Black people in this country. We should be celebrating that fact in unison rather than allowing the “Race Red Herring” which is used as a diversion from the fact that with liberals in power, no one's rights are safe.

[NeedKarma]

that is no more than the utopian belief of the Left that society can be shaped to perfection.

C'mon, no one believes that. Quit making stuff up.

[N0help4u]

The irony is THEY are making it a gender/race issue themselves AND THEY are the Democrats that claim THEY know no color/gender when it comes to equality.

[NeedKarma]

"They" is pretty much his opposition - Clinton and her cohorts. Par for the course in mud slinging politics.

[Dark_crow]

C'mon, no one believes that. Quit making stuff up.

Equality is a Leftist Marxist banner that is heralded as its goal; to suggest that it is not utopian is naïve. Liberty is a realistic goal that is in direct opposition to equality.

[NeedKarma]

I don't think the american liberals are advocating marxist communism.

[Dark_crow]

I don't think the american liberals are advocating marxist communism.

I don’t either, what they advocate is democratic socialism…the equality of all people, rather than equal rights; still a Marxist philosophy.

[NeedKarma]

Ithe equality of all people, rather than equal rights

Sorry mate, they aren't mutually exclusive.

[Dark_crow]

Sorry mate, they aren't mutually exclusive.

Sure they are, equality necessarily restricts liberty.

[N0help4u]

I agree DC
Because if you notice what our society is pushing for is not having a say or a choice in things.
All these new laws they are just passing and things they are doing it is so that when it is all said and done we are unable to say or do anything.

The Nazi Model For Outcome-Based Education

[NeedKarma]

That link's model can be applied to indoctrinating children into religion.
Geez, I'm loving my country more and more.

[excon]

Sure they are, equality necessarily restricts liberty.

Hello DC:

I never know where you're coming from.

According to our law, everybody is ALREADY equal. We don't need other proclamations or laws or supreme court rulings to make it so. It just is.

If we did, you could assume that somebody wasn't acting in that vein, and they needed a little incentive to do so. In other words, somebody wasn't treating somebody else equally.

How could correcting that error restrict somebody else's freedom? Oh, it could limit the guy's freedom who is treating somebody else unequally, but he doesn't have the "liberty" to do that, and of course, it SHOULD be restricted.

My liberty ends at your nose. Do you understand what that says?

excon

[Dark_crow]

Hello DC:



My liberty ends at your nose. Do you understand what that says?

excon

Hi there excon.

Sure, I understand what that means…it means you confuse equality with equal rights. But then a lot of people do. Affirmative action here, which in Europe is also alternatively known as positive discrimination is one example of someone’s equal rights being suppressed.

[NeedKarma]

We don't have affirmative action in Canada, any other examples?

[N0help4u]

Canadian example of Affirmative action:
Average Canadian has to wait two years for surgery. Dies in the wait.
Overweight smoker needs surgery told even though they paid all the health tax and $92.00 a month for their health coverage since they are overweight and smoke they are not eligible for this particular surgery.
Junkie: free needles
Diabetic: has to pay for needles
Sports figure or politician: Bumped up on long list for quick surgery

[NeedKarma]

Those aren't examples of affirmative action. Plus they don't represent our medical practices at all.

[Dark_crow]

We don't have affirmative action in Canada, any other examples?

I don’t know anything about Canada, and really don’t care. :)

[N0help4u]

I would be interested in a real representation then since I have heard many Canadians themselves saying that it is worse than we are told here.
Affirmative action means somebody else getting preferential treatment over others.

Maybe my example wasn't that great but I don't know what example would exactly explain it.

[NeedKarma]

My sister is a Master's of Nursing, her husband is a doctor (GP) and they live and work in Boston mainly for the money. I hear what they say and I'd still rather by where I am. I can't imagine being without health care in the U.S. or having to fight an insurance company so I don't go bankrupt from a broken leg.

[N0help4u]

If you are without health care you can apply for health grants like Hill Burton and Chips.
You can buy your own health care which isn't all that much compared to what our government would charge if they mandate us to get it.
You can make payments, find clinics.
The HMO's are a mess but you still get your care if you go for it.
I haven't had health coverage in almost 10 years cause I choose not to.

A Canadian just the other day posted HERE that the health care IS really bad there.