[BABRAM]

And that is what everyone is doing, even in this thread. She is not a racist and what she said, in a historical sense, is true.

And you didn't find her remarks absurd? You're putting an arm around Ferraro and saying it's OK. Not me. I'm not so passive about her uneducated statements. Historically speaking her implications that he is "lucky" to be "black," rather than worked fairly for his position, didn't get by me. Speak for yourself.

[kp2171]

OK... but maybe both sides are playing this game.

Call clinton a monster and step down... does the threat of a "monster" linger? Maybe.

Get ferraro, a woman who probably appeals nostalgically to the older base, to be embattled with the race issue... one line of thought is let him win all those who are voting on race (not that all are) or compete with those who might be by prodding their guilt.

I agree... when I heard her comments I thought "really?"... this is all they have to go on?

But the reality is that she's still in the race. Maybe she's doing more right than I think. Whatever it takes to win Pennsylvania might be what she "needs" to win?

[Dark_crow]

I long ago learned to judge a mans' character by his associations, and when I look at Obama and his relationship with Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright and his Black liberation theology who described 9/11 as a case of white America getting what it deserves it certainly raises concern. Obama first met Wright and joined his church while he was working as a community organizer prior to attending Harvard Law School.

I see a lot more evidence against Obama being neutral than Ferraro being racist.

[BABRAM]

I long ago learned to judge a mans' character by his associations, and when I look at Obama and his relationship with Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright and his Black liberation theology who described 9/11 as a case of white America getting what it deserves it certainly raises concern. Obama first met Wright and joined his church while he was working as a community organizer prior to attending Harvard Law School.

I see a lot more evidence against Obama being neutral than Ferraro being racist.

First off what you copied in part is from a website that I've read elsewhere. However I've been chomping at the bit hoping someone would bring this into play. Obama has publicly said that he has not sat down to talk specifically with Wright concerning his personal political views or to run his campaign. He hasn't had that privilege, nor does Obama endorse all of Wright's religious/political ideology. Ferraro on the other hand is on Hillary's staff for campaign fund raising and there are no excuses for "Geraldine's," carefully, racially packaged remarks.

[Dark_crow]

Everything you write is copied in part from somewhere, so what is your point in saying that? Was it an attempt to demean me?

That a man and his wife are not influenced by the Church they attend is ludicrous; I am reminded of what Obama's wife said: “for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.” Sounds close to the contempt their Church Pastor has for America.

It's interesting to watch the left infighting…Makes me wonder what Ferraro is going to do when Obama (If he wins the nomination) comes asking for fundraising support.

[excon]

Hello Bobby:

Yeah, I'm caught up in the concept. I'm inspired... I don't think those are BAD things.

I sure don't like Hillary - or now Geraldine either. But, they're going to reap what they sew. She's toast.

excon

[kp2171]

I am reminded of what Obama's wife said: “for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.” Sounds close to the contempt their Church Pastor has for America.

The spouses in this campaign are not particularly helpful. Billy playing the role of "bad cop" didn't work out so well for hillary, and every time obama's wife talks lately, it like she takes them three steps back.

Did you hear her tell people to avoid corporate jobs for social issues? In one fell she both called her husbands success an anomaly (we can do it, but you cant... you need the govt)... and at the same time told people to avoid corporate work (better pay) for service jobs...

Mkay.

That's exactly what out country needs... more service jobs. The intent, I think, was to tell people to work for "causes" but it came across as service jobs... fantastic.

Lets just hire our engineers overseas right out of the gate. Channel our kids into service roles. Great. Lets just sell the crap china makes and reap the profit that walmart deems acceptable.

Seriously... don't think I've ever seen a situation where the spouses were such verbal liabilities.

[NeedKarma]

This is all based on the fact that the repubs are scared of running against Barack. So they dig whatever they can find. It's all kind of amusing.

[BABRAM]

Everything you write is copied in part from somewhere, so what is your point in saying that? Was it an attempt to demean me?.

You obviously don't know me. Not everything I write is copied in part from elsewhere, but the times I have referenced others I do usually provide links or quotation marks. The point was that although you took your information directly from another source, I was happy to address the misgivings.

That a man and his wife are not influenced by the Church they attend is ludicrous; I am reminded of what Obama's wife said: “for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.” Sounds close to the contempt their Church Pastor has for America.

Why? I'm not persuaded by half the nonsense I read on these boards daily. However since you bring it up, I do applaud and agree with Michelle Obama. In fact I wish it felt like hope is finally making a comeback everyday. I haven't felt much of that during the Bush Administration.

It's interesting to watch the left infighting…Makes me wonder what Ferraro is going to do when Obama (If he wins the nomination) comes asking for fundraising support.

Keep in touch. Obama doesn't need Ferraro.

[Dark_crow]

I was unaware of her telling people to avoid corporate jobs for social issues. And yes, the spouses in this appear to be saying things that hinder more than help

Interesting about the anomaly bit…basically that is what Ferraro was pointing out.

[BABRAM]

Hello Bobby:

Yeah, I'm caught up in the concept. I'm inspired... I don't think those are BAD things.

I sure don't like Hillary - or now Geraldine either. But, they're gonna reap what they sew. She's toast.

excon

:)

[speechlesstx]

Ferraro's partial statement "caught up in the concept," are part of whole incident of remarks. It's no more factual than Clinton or McCain supporters being caught up in the concepts of their own preferred candidates ideologies.

Bobby, I could continue to post comments from politicians, columnists and voters all day that give credence to her remarks, that talk about how exciting it would be to have not only a black man, but someone that is literally in their eyes diversity himself, as president. And that is what Ferraro said from the beginning before the Obama campaign and the media ran with it.

Reached at her home in Manhattan on Tuesday evening, she said that, in her original remarks, she was asked why there had been so much excitement about Mr. Obama’s candidacy. “And I said, ‘I think part of it is because he’s black,’ ” she said. “People are excited about this historic candidacy. I am, too.”

But the Obama campaign “twisted” her remarks, she said. “I am livid at this thing,” she said. “Any time you say anything to anybody about the Obama campaign, it immediately becomes a racist attack.”

I still say her remarks were inappropriate, but I think it's ironic that so many people are coming down on Ferraro so hard considering what's already been said by his supporters. If his race has nothing to do with his success in the campaign - the excitement of it all - then why have so many of his supporters been saying it does? That's all I'm asking. Either it's OK to say his race has something to do with the excitement or not, isn't it?

[Dark_crow]

BABRAM


Well of course, all the Anti-America Socialist and Communist applaud and agree with Michelle Obama.

[BABRAM]

BABRAM


Well of course, all the Anti-America Socialist and Communist applaud and agree with Michelle Obama.

And so does a G-d fearing Jew that is registered Democrat. I suppose that does bother the nazis. :rolleyes:

[speechlesstx]

This is all based on the fact that the repubs are scared of running against Barack. So they dig whatever they can find. It's all kind of amusing.

A liberal Democrat makes some remarks that offend Obama and so "this is all based on the fact that the repubs are scared of running against Barack?" LOL, who needs to dig up dirt while the Democrats are doing such a good job of fighting amongst themselves? :D

[Dark_crow]

BABRAM


Is an Anti-America Socialist and Communist mutually exclusive from a democrat…I don't think there is any longer.

[kp2171]

Latest news...

Ferraro is leaving the campaign.

Still... is the "guilt trip" of voting for him over her going to have staying power? Is the fact that ferraro, a woman of historic prominence, is leaving the scene going to play into clintons favor, instead of against her?

Again... while I think she's losing it all... she still in the hunt... so maybe she's smarter than my dumb arse.

[tomder55]

Look at my response . I was critical of Ferraro and showed she had a history of this and also demonstrated the hypocrisy of her comment. Seems like the Dems can make comments like this all the time and get away with it .

Consider Biden's racists comments :

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy ... I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Consider Bob Kerry's biggoted comments playing the Muslim card bringing up the spectre that Obama is the Muslim Manchurian candidate.

And it was a liberal columnist from the LA Slimes who called Obama "the magic negro "

Obama the 'Magic Negro' - Los Angeles Times

Was there similar outrage when lib creator of Doonsbury Gary Trudeau wrote racisim into his comic stip about Condi Rice ?



Or how about this gem from Gus Savage Dem from Chicago "I don't talk to you white motherf******. You motherf****** in the white press. F*** you, you motherf***ing assh*** white devils."

How about Chris Dodd praising Robert "White Sheets" Byrd saying he would've been a great leader in the Civil War.

There are many other examples. I think the outrage here is very selective.

[BABRAM]

Bobby, I could continue to post comments from politicians, columnists and voters all day that give credence to her remarks, that talk about how exciting it would be to have not only a black man, but someone that is literally in their eyes diversity himself, as president. And that is what Ferraro said from the beginning before the Obama campaign and the media ran with it.

I still say her remarks were inappropriate, but I think it's ironic that so many people are coming down on Ferraro so hard considering what's already been said by his supporters. If his race has nothing to do with his success in the campaign - the excitement of it all - then why have so many of his supporters been saying it does? That's all I'm asking. Either it's OK to say his race has something to do with the excitement or not, isn't it?

Steve-

No. She was not implying the "excitement of it all." She wished Hillary had the excitement. Ferraro doesn't want success for Barack or any excitement on his part. Period. She wanted to emphasize race because in her campaign geared mind, to be successful meant being Caucasian for the past 200 plus years, otherwise Obama was just "lucky." In other words, blacks are dumb, uneducated, and some how manage to get lucky occasionally. I have no doubt you could find sentiment for Ferraro, but her statement stands and she fashioned her views in a way that even Hillary had to distance herself from the remark.

[BABRAM]

BABRAM


Is an Anti-America Socialist and Communist mutually exclusive from a democrat…I don't think there is any longer.

You probably don't ride alone in that conspiracy coach. For the moment, it's whatever you think it is... to you.