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    #21

    Mar 7, 2008, 04:06 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_crow


    Why Not Just Split the Difference?
    Now, that was funny! LOL!
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    #22

    Mar 7, 2008, 04:20 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55
    no I am not blaming Obama except for creating this hypocritical illusion that he is above the fray. Finally Evita and the national press is beginning to scrutinize this guy . Turns out he aint much different than the rest of them after all.
    Obama didn't create anything of the sort. Perhaps you're acting out of anger because you're not finding enough dirt. BTW the Clinton's scrutinizing anybody will come back at three fold. Is this the kind of campaign the Republicans want or need to run? The candidate that you call "Evita" in a demeaning nature, you turnaround and emulate. You're taking a page out the Clinton's book! Turns out there's no difference between a Clinton ran campaign of smear tactics and delusional propaganda from the McCain/Bush base.
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    #23

    Mar 7, 2008, 04:46 PM
    You are right…Obama hasn't created anything. But he certainly appears to have lost his way.

    I believe that the forces of Islamic International Terrorism are, at present, the greatest single threat to our liberties and that the United States should stress victory over, rather than coexistence with, this menace. His position is that he clearly believes it better to coexist. At the same time he is clearly against Fair Trade

    It is timely again to recall Reagan's monumental speech, "A Time for Choosing," and choose to fight.

    At the same time we must remember William F. Buckley, Jr.'s truism…that when government interferes with the work of the market economy, it tends to reduce the moral and physical strength of the nation; that when it takes from one man to bestow on another, it diminishes the incentive of the first, the integrity of the second, and the moral autonomy of both
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    Mar 7, 2008, 05:37 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_crow
    You are right…Obama hasn't created anything. But he certainly appears to have lost his way.

    I believe that the forces of Islamic International Terrorism are, at present, the greatest single threat to our liberties and that the United States should stress victory over, rather than coexistence with, this menace. His position is that he clearly believes it better to coexist. At the same time he is clearly against Fair Trade

    At the same time we must remember William F. Buckley, Jr.'s truism…that when government interferes with the work of the market economy, it tends to reduce the moral and physical strength of the nation; that when it takes from one man to bestow on another, it diminishes the incentive of the first, the integrity of the second, and the moral autonomy of both
    Lost his way to where? Bankruptcy, foreclosures, low cost of living wages, inflation, recession, born and bred gang violence, US racists, drug cartels, etc..? And NO thank you to Dubya for spending 9 billion a month in Iraq. Meanwhile one pipsqueak idiot showed the world the other day just how easy it is to detonate a bomb in Times Square. LOL! You think that the Bush Admin has made you terrorist secure? HA HA HA! Wake-Up! If McCain gets in office with his attitude he might just start up the draft. How about that young people! Get ready! In fact McCain may have no choice with his "long as it takes 100 year" nightmare plan. Bush took heat for sending the same troops over and over and McCain knows that.



    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_crow
    It is timely again to recall Reagan's monumental speech, "A Time for Choosing," and choose to fight.
    It's time to put this into correct context. These quotes are former President Ronald Reagan's son "Ron Reagan."

    In an April 2003 interview, Reagan said, "The Bush people have no right to speak for my father, particularly because of the position he's in now. Yes, some of the current policies are an extension of the '80s. But the overall thrust of this administration is not my father's – these people are overly reaching, overly aggressive, overly secretive, and just plain corrupt. I don't trust these people."

    He also strongly opposed the Bush administration's decision to invade Iraq. "9/11 gave the Bush people carte blanche to carry out their extreme agenda – and they didn't hesitate for a moment to use it," Reagan said. "By 9/12 Rumsfeld was saying, 'Let's hit Iraq.' They've used the war on terror to justify everything from tax cuts to Alaska oil drilling."



    PS. Thank you to men of MLK Jr.'s ilk (G-d bless him) who gave their life for the advancement of equality of all man. It's just about Shabbos, I got to go.
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    Mar 8, 2008, 03:30 AM
    Obama didn't create anything of the sort. Perhaps you're acting out of anger because you're not finding enough dirt. BTW the Clinton's scrutinizing anybody will come back at three fold. Is this the kind of campaign the Republicans want or need to run?
    Bobby ;he is still trying to foster that illusion. Mud slinging as you call it I call vetting . There are legitimate questions about this unknown candidate that needs to be answered . If he chooses not to answer them then it is legit for others to fill in the blank slate .

    The candidate that you call "Evita" in a demeaning nature, you turnaround and emulate.
    Emulate ? Nah... look at my last posting about Evita. I intend to hammer her just as hard . We have about 6 weeks before Penn. Primary . In that time I'm sure many charges will be made by the two candidates at each other... providing enough for McCain to use in the fall campaign while he stays above the fray lol .

    You talk dirt . I remind you that it was the Clintoids that pulled the race card out of the hat in South Carolina and even earlier the Muslim card. I'm questioning legit issues about judgement ,integrity ,and policy . Don't accuse me of rolling in the mud. These are all legitimate questions that a serious contender for the Presidency should have no problem with answering .
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    #26

    Mar 8, 2008, 04:49 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by BABRAM
    Obama didn't create anything of the sort. Perhaps you're acting out of anger because you're not finding enough dirt. BTW the Clinton's scrutinizing anybody will come back at three fold. Is this the kind of campaign the Republicans want or need to run? The candidate that you call "Evita" in a demeaning nature, you turnaround and emulate. You're taking a page out the Clinton's book! Turns out there's no difference between a Clinton ran campaign of smear tactics and delusional propaganda from the McCain/Bush base.
    Beautifully said BABRAM. Bravo.
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    #27

    Mar 8, 2008, 11:40 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by BABRAM
    Lost his way to where? Bankruptcy, foreclosures, low cost of living wages, inflation, recession, born and bred gang violence, US racists, drug cartels, etc...?! And NO thank you to Dubya for spending 9 billion a month in Iraq. Meanwhile one pipsqueak idiot showed the world the other day just how easy it is to detonate a bomb in Times Square. LOL! You think that the Bush Admin has made you terrorist secure?! HA HA HA! Wake-Up! If McCain gets in office with his attitude he might just start up the draft. How about that young people! Get ready! In fact McCain may have no choice with his "long as it takes 100 year" nightmare plan. Bush took heat for sending the same troops over and over and McCain knows that.





    It's time to put this into correct context. These quotes are former President Ronald Reagan's son "Ron Reagan."

    In an April 2003 interview, Reagan said, "The Bush people have no right to speak for my father, particularly because of the position he's in now. Yes, some of the current policies are an extension of the '80s. But the overall thrust of this administration is not my father's – these people are overly reaching, overly aggressive, overly secretive, and just plain corrupt. I don't trust these people."

    He also strongly opposed the Bush administration's decision to invade Iraq. "9/11 gave the Bush people carte blanche to carry out their extreme agenda – and they didn't hesitate for a moment to use it," Reagan said. "By 9/12 Rumsfeld was saying, 'Let's hit Iraq.' They've used the war on terror to justify everything from tax cuts to Alaska oil drilling."



    PS. Thank you to men of MLK Jr.'s ilk (G-d bless him) who gave their life for the advancement of equality of all man. It's just about Shabbos, I gotta go.
    Is that card-house built on straw-men supposed to be a rebuttal of what I said about Obama; his position on protectionism and co-existence with Terrorist.

    Maybe that is your position too, but if it is I would think you were prepared to defend it logically rather than attack Bush and the current economy…something that I have not defended.
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    #28

    Mar 8, 2008, 07:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_crow
    Is that card-house built on straw-men supposed to be a rebuttal of what I said about Obama; his position on protectionism and co-existence with Terrorist.
    I know that providing factual substance only confuses you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_crow
    Maybe that is your position too, but if it is I would think you were prepared to defend it logically rather than attack Bush and the current economy…something that I have not defended.

    One post you display paranoia and falsehoods cloaked in nonsensical gibberish, and the next you act like Bush wasn't your president for the last seven and half years. Get back to me after you sober up.
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    #29

    Mar 8, 2008, 07:22 PM
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    #30

    Mar 8, 2008, 07:36 PM
    Saph- If John McCain's elected we can send that draft image on a postcard instructing the male youth to report to boot camp.
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    #31

    Mar 8, 2008, 08:08 PM
    I HATE to see what each one of them will have to offer
    AND even worse what the elected one ACTUALLY DOES offer - whether it be he or she/black or white! NONE ARE RIGHT!
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    #32

    Mar 8, 2008, 08:32 PM
    I can optimistically say I don't want more of GW Bush and that's a forgone conclusion considering John McCain. As you know form our previous dialogues I personally like Ron Paul, but of three candidates left with a legitimate opportunity for presidency, I'll support Barack Obama.
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    #33

    Mar 8, 2008, 08:37 PM
    Ron Paul dropped out yesterday morning
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    #34

    Mar 9, 2008, 03:25 AM
    Good riddence to bad rubbish . For those enamored with Ron Paul they should look at his recent vote on House Resolution 951 condemning the rocket assault from Gaza on Israel. 401 members voted "aye," 19 did not vote ,4 voted "present," and only Paul voted "nay."
    That should make his white sheet supporters happy at least.
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    Mar 9, 2008, 04:03 AM
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    Please, don't ever speak for all of AMHD.
    Thank you.
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    Mar 9, 2008, 05:31 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55
    For those enamored with Ron Paul they should look at his recent vote on House Resolution 951 condemning the rocket assault from Gaza on Israel.
    Tom-

    Good point! And I agree. That's why Ron Paul has taken hard criticism (and deserves so) from Jewish communities and organizations. However I do think that's just his weird approach to claim that the US shouldn't be as involved in the Mid East, or anywhere else for that matter. Of course, as a Zionist, it's one of the issues I disagree with him. To me Ron Paul comes off more a Libertarian, than Republican. But generally speaking he is correct, more than wrong on the economic front with the economy usually being the number one issue for those voting.



    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    Please, don't ever speak for all of AMHD.
    Thank you.
    NK-

    I found that odd as well. I'm glad that was addressed.
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    #37

    Mar 9, 2008, 05:42 AM
    Bam,
    That first quote isn't from me.
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    #38

    Mar 9, 2008, 12:52 PM
    I liked the pillow :(

    I figured IF I wouldn't mind havin' one myself then...
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    #39

    Mar 9, 2008, 02:51 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    Bam,
    That first quote isn't from me.
    You mean I gave you extra credit for someone else's work? Yes. I meant my friend Tom.


    Quote Originally Posted by N0help4u
    I liked the pillow

    I figured IF I wouldn't mind havin' one myself then......
    I think it would be just the perfect pillow to lounge on while eating popcorn and watching "Pirates of the Caribbean."

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