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    Mar 3, 2008, 02:38 PM
    Federal income tax?
    Can any one Please show me the "LAW" that states a citizen has to pay state and federal taxes on their WAGES.
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    Mar 3, 2008, 03:08 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by spiffyris23
    Can any one Please show me the "LAW" that states a citizen has to pay state and federal taxes on their WAGES.

    "The most basic myth of tax protestors is that there is simply no law mandating the payment of income taxes. Frequently one can observe anti-tax types to say something like, “if only someone would show me the law that says that I have to file a tax return and pay taxes, I’d be happy to do it.” I have a strong suspicion that people who say that are not serious, but I’m going to take them at their word. Here are the laws that (a) impose an income tax on you, (b) require you to file an income tax return, and (c) require you to pay taxes:

    § 1 The federal tax laws are contained in the Internal Revenue Code, also known as Title 26 of the United States Code, which is the compilation of laws passed by the Congress (“Title” basically means “Volume” when applied to the U.S. Code as a whole, so Title 26 is what might more casually be called Volume 26).
    The Internal Revenue Code is the law that requires people to pay taxes (and yes, the Internal Revenue Code is the law).

    The most important statutory provision with regard to income taxes is section one of the tax code, 26 U.S.C. § 1. This is the section that actually imposes the income tax. It’s very simply written."
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    Mar 3, 2008, 03:08 PM
    16th amendment to the US Constitution, Feb 1913:

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

    The individual states have their own laws and constitutions that would govern their ability to collect income taxes.
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    Mar 3, 2008, 05:40 PM
    Yes, in "theory" the Title 26 is against the 16th amendment, but remember all laws passed are legal unless the Supreme court rules it is. In this case the Supreme Court has upheld it. So it is legal because it is a law and they can use the "force" of the courts, US Marshals with weapons and garnishments and even taking of your homes.

    So it is a law because they can enforce it by force. The states have long ago lost their power to the Federal Government, the main issue of the Civil War ( states rights) it has been down hill since there.
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    Mar 3, 2008, 05:47 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
    Yes, in "theory" the Title 26 is agaisnt the 16th admendment, but remember all laws passed are legal unless the Supreme court rules it is. In this case the Supreme Court has upheld it. so it is legal because it is a law and they can use the "force" of the courts, US Marshals with weapons and garnishments and even taking of your homes.

    So it is a law because they can enforce it by force. The states have long ago lost thier power to the Federal Government, the main issue of the Civil War ( states rights) it has been down hill since there.

    You could probably NOT pay your taxes and the appropriate section(s) will be quoted at your trial.
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    Mar 4, 2008, 07:16 AM
    The most important statutory provision with regard to income taxes is section one of the tax code, 26 U.S.C. § 1. This is the section that actually imposes the income tax. It’s very simply written."[/QUOTE]


    Income: please define... as I have seen it it is an EQUAL exchange for labor. And You can't tax something that isn't a profit. You can tax roads, gas, properties (if they are going up in value), cigaretts etc... But you can not tax wages.
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    Mar 4, 2008, 07:17 AM
    Income: please define... as I have seen it it is an EQUAL exchange for labor. And You can't tax something that isn't a profit. You can tax roads, gas, properties (if they are going up in value), cigaretts etc... But you can not tax wages.

    try www.teamlaw. Its either org or com
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    Mar 4, 2008, 07:24 AM
    Hello spiffy:

    I agree with you. I agreed with all those tax protesters serving time right beside me too. I don't know what laws they used to put 'em there - but put 'em there, they did.

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    Mar 4, 2008, 07:26 AM
    Income = wages, salary, tips. Capital gains, interest, dividends, pensions, retirement plan withdrawals, etc etc. In the US, the Supreme Court has the final say on whether laws are legal or not. They have ruled multiple times on this and have consistently reaffirmed congress's right to levy income taxes.. You can continue to tilt at windmills, but the law of the land has been reaffirmed - you must pay your income taxes. The alternative is jail.
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    Mar 4, 2008, 07:37 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by spiffyris23
    The most important statutory provision with regard to income taxes is section one of the tax code, 26 U.S.C. § 1. This is the section that actually imposes the income tax. It’s very simply written."

    Income: please define... as I have seen it it is an EQUAL exchange for labor. And You can't tax something that isn't a profit. You can tax roads, gas, properties (if they are going up in value), cigaretts etc... But you can not tax wages.[/QUOTE]


    You said your better half is into Constitutional Law - what does he/she say?

    And, no, I'm not going to research this for you - did my own homework once and that was enough! Maybe someone else knows.
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    Mar 4, 2008, 10:51 AM
    Constitutional law states that on wages is NOT manditory because it is an equal exchange. Anything that is profitable is taxable. There are all there internal revenue codes BS!! The IRS is about as federal as Federal express, a PRIVATE bank.
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    Mar 4, 2008, 10:53 AM
    [QUOTE=Fr_Chuck]Yes, in "theory" the Title 26 is against the 16th amendment, but remember all laws passed are legal unless the Supreme court rules it is.
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    Mar 4, 2008, 10:54 AM
    The 16 amendment was don't ove ra holiday weekend with only a couple people to sign on it
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    Mar 4, 2008, 11:00 AM
    Hello again, spiff:

    What's your point? If it's political, we have a politics board where you can argue about it all you want.

    If you want to know whether they'll put you in the slam if you don't pay taxes, NO MATTER WHAT YOUR REASON IS, the answer is YES.

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    Mar 4, 2008, 11:05 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by spiffyris23
    the 16 amendment was dont ove ra holiday weekend with only a couple people to sign on it
    Wrongo - as with any amendment the 16th was passed by 2/3 of both houses of congress plus 3/4 of the states. It was not "done over a holiday weekend" but rather took 4 years to become ratified. It was ultimately ratified by 42 of the (then) 48 states - 6 more than required.
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    Mar 4, 2008, 11:07 AM
    I know several people who don't pay income taxes. The IRS contacted these people and after sending them there legal paperwork according to constitutional law they no longer owe, the IRS has left them alone and will not be charging them in the future. You know everyone has to jump down throats when it comes to relign and legal matters, all I wanted was some one to "copy and paste" the "law" not the codes, tiles, etc. And if you can "prove the law" you might want to do some research. There is a guy out there in the united states that said if you can "show me the law" he will pay you $50,000 seems to me you better find him.
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    Mar 4, 2008, 11:22 AM
    By the way - here's the definition of "income" from US code 26 - which as has already been pointed out is the LAW that you are looking for. It descends from the income tax act of 1913. I suggest you forward this to your buddy and collect your $50K - note the reference to "compensation for services," which clearly covers salaries and wages:

    § 61. Gross income defined
    (a) General definition
    Except as otherwise provided in this subtitle, gross income means all income from whatever source derived, including (but not limited to) the following items:
    (1) Compensation for services, including fees, commissions, fringe benefits, and similar items;
    (2) Gross income derived from business;
    (3) Gains derived from dealings in property;
    (4) Interest;
    (5) Rents;
    (6) Royalties;
    (7) Dividends;
    (8) Alimony and separate maintenance payments;
    (9) Annuities;
    (10) Income from life insurance and endowment contracts;
    (11) Pensions;
    (12) Income from discharge of indebtedness;
    (13) Distributive share of partnership gross income;
    (14) Income in respect of a decedent; and
    (15) Income from an interest in an estate or trust.
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    Mar 4, 2008, 11:36 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by spiffyris23
    the 16 amendment was dont ove ra holiday weekend with only a couple people to sign on it
    You seem to like asking questions then disagreeing with the answers.

    As e ebaines pointed out, the above statement is patently reidiculous. It shows a complete lack of knowledge of the process of amending the constitution.

    Are you aware how the feds finally "got" Al Capone? It was for income tax evasion! People have gone to jailed for not paying their due taxes. I don't know the situation of those alleged people you cite, so there may have been extenuating circumstances. And I believe that $50K offer is an urban legend.
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    Mar 4, 2008, 01:44 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by ScottGem
    Are you aware how the feds finally "got" Al Capone? It was for income tax evasion! People have gone to jailed for not paying their due taxes.
    Consider the case of Wesley Snipes - recently convicted of tax fraud. He argued that his income is not taxable, based on an assertion that only income from "taxable activities" can be taxed, and that domestic activities of US citizens aren't taxable. Unfortunately for Mr. Snipes, this argument has been repeatedly rejected by the courts, and he now faces 3 years in jail - sentencing is April 24:

    Wesley Snipes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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