[Donna Mae]

It is a true Blessing to have you here at this forum!

This statement goes to you too!

God bless you and keep you strong in His word. As long as we have Christ, we always have hope.

Donna

[talaniman]

All due respect, but your getting away from the main question, an missing the whole post, its not about belief or conversion is it? Can a non-Christian do good?
Can a non-Christian truly do good in the sight of God? Why or why not? I think it was answered with a yes.

[SkyGem]

All due respect, but your getting away from the main question, an missing the whole post, its not about belief or conversion is it?? Can a non-Christian do good?
Can a non-Christian truly do good in the sight of God? Why or why not? I think it was answered with a yes.

What Christians have written here is most germane to the question inasmuch as God is mentioned. You also have to bear in mind that the #6 posting said "Because God is not religious." That fully brought the religious aspect into the original poster's question since the #6 posting party opened that door. He again mentions God in his posting #9. From there, Christians, of course, have the right to enter the conversation about God, full-force, with conversational elements that continue to be germane. After all, this is a Christianity forum, so why should we try to "censor" what God is leading us to say. And one has to simply wonder why you would seem so peeved at people getting to know one another in this forum when discussing God's word. So, your question should really be directed to "ordinaryguy" and similar others as to why his/their tone would alert other Christians to respond as they have. And of course, if you are a Christian, the conversation at hand would not bother you at all since some aspect of Christianity is always being discussed. If you are not, I can see why it might bother you to no end. Again, whatever question asked in a CHRISTIANITY forum, a Christian person will answer as he or she feels led by the Holy Spirit. That is one thing about being a Christian, we are led by the Spirit to answer as we do, one thing a non-Believer would have a hard time understanding.

[SkyGem]

This statement goes to you too!

God bless you and keep you strong in His word. As long as we have Christ, we always have hope.

Donna

Thank you, dear one! You are so very right again! With Christ, there Is ALWAYS Hope! God Bless You Too Always!

[talaniman]

Just bringing it back to make sure of the answer, you don't mind if a non-christian interacts do you? My personal interest is the learning, to add to my own knowledge, and see how a no answer could be possible.

[SkyGem]

Just bringing it back to make sure of the answer, you don't mind if a non-christian interacts do you? My personal interest is the learning, to add to my own knowledge, and see how a no answer could be possible.

Do I mind if a non-Christian interacts you ask? Yes, actually I do mind and so do many other true Christians if the person asking intends to remain a non-Christian, thus, opposing God's ONLY Divine Son Jesus Christ. And a "no" answer is very possible as stated before by Christians. As for continued interaction with unBelievers, this is what actually gives us the Authority to refuse further conversations.

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath Light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? On what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? For ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing, and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." -- 2 CORINTHIANS 6:14-18 (KJV)

You and others of like mind can now be sure of the answer.

[NeedKarma]

Yes, actually I do mind and so do many other true Christians if the person asking intends to remain a non-Christian, thus, opposing God's ONLY Divine Son Jesus Christ.

Fanatics scare me.

[Allheart]

Do I mind if a non-Christian interacts you ask? Yes, actually I do mind and so do many other true Christians if the person asking intends to remain a non-Christian,

You make my heart sad. I read this an said to myself "Oh my God". I actually have tears welled up in my eyes. How can you be so cold? God forgive me for saying that, you don't have the right to turn off the volume to any ear.

I actually question how much Christ love is in your heart. You mind? Do you? Really?
That is just so wrong. How would Jesus have answered that question?

SkyGem, you are human just like me and your response may just had a knee jerk reaction. Please forgive me for taking that statement so hard, but I just could not believe my eyes. I just don't recogonize God's love in that statement.

I am sorry and I do feel bad and hope I am not coming off as scolding you or judging you, but I just strongly disagree with it.

Those who have God's love in their heart and know God and His Son Jesus Christ do not stand taller then those who believe other things. The only differerce between someone who believes in our Heavenly Father and has Christ love in their heart and soul and those who have chosen to believe other things or take other paths... the only thing different, is as those who believe, in my opinion, have an obligation to themselves and to all people, to reflect God's love in their actions and words.

If I am wrong in what I have written may I receive God's word in my heart to know what is right.

[speechlesstx]

Fanatics scare me.

Besides the obvious question... never mind. Actually NK I agree with you - again. If a Christian doesn't interact with others regardless of their faith - or lack of - they are violating God's command, love your neighbor as yourself. Not to mention it's kind of difficult to have a mission if you have no mission field.

[talaniman]

Do I mind if a non-Christian interacts you ask? Yes, actually I do mind and so do many other true Christians if the person asking intends to remain a non-Christian, thus, opposing God's ONLY Divine Son Jesus Christ. And a "no" answer is very possible as stated before by Christians. As for continued interaction with unBelievers, this is what actually gives us the Authority to refuse further conversations.

That is so sad, and I feel for you suffering through such a handicap, may I suggest a personal relationship with a God that YOU understand? I will pray for you.

[bushg]

This is to the ones that are condemning others, and basically saying that non-christian acts mean nothing to God. I have family members that believe if you own a computer, watch t.v. cut your hair, wear make up, jewellery, have a christmas tree, listen to non-christian music or christian music of certain religions etc... that you are just as bad off or actually worse than non-believers.

Just because you can not or do not live up to their standards and their belief, does that absloutely mean that you do not matter to God.
Who are you to tell anyone that their goodness does not matter.
Like my family, who gives you the right to sit in judgement of anyone.
If I picked up the phone and called them they would want your names so that they could pray for your souls, because in their eyes surely you are going down a path of destruction. With your longings and belongings of this world. How crazy does that sound?

I have always heard people say "judge not lest you be judged" I'm not sure if I have ever met anyone that could abide by that.

[SkyGem]

I actually question how much Christ love is in your heart. You mind? Do you? Really?
That is just so wrong. How would Jesus have answered that question?

It is because of Christ's Love in my heart that I have been led to respond with the Scripture noted. I figured that non-Believers would try to use the sympathy card here to try to make others feel sorry for them, but do not be mislead for you have to know the fruit of the vine to know who you are dealing with in coming to the aid of those people. God's word is sometimes harsh but it is to teach a lesson to those who do not or will not Believe. Know that true Christians will not fall for the tricks of infidels because they know the Word of God, thus, they know exactly what infidels are trying to do with their responses.

And to answer your other question "How would Jesus have answered that question?" He would have quoted the exact same Scripture as it was His Father who gave it to Him, thus He also gave it to us, and as ONE with the Holy Trinity, Jesus could not have backed off this one just to appease infidels when the word is strictly against that. The Lord even says that in the Scripture. Please read and re-read it many times until you understand it.

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath Light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? On what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? For ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing, and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." -- 2 CORINTHIANS 6:14-18 (KJV)

There you go! That Is the Word of God. I cannot sugar-coat it in any way, shape or form just to make me sound more pleasant to others. Many times Biblical truth hurts those who do not Believe but of course, they always have the opportunity to Change that all by themselves after hearing the word of God. When God says something through Scripture, we Christians cannot overrule God on that! We should not have different opinions on His word which is steadfast and irrefutable. It is HIS word therefore, we follow His word and cannot have sympathy for infidels who do not want to change their way of thinking about God as the quoted Scripture plainly says. I do not know if you are a non-Believer or not, but to a Believer, God's word is irrefutable no matter how harsh some may take it to be.

If I am wrong in what I have written may I receive God's word in my heart to know what is right.

I am sure that you will receive God's word in your heart if you are a Christian, to reveal how wrong you are in coming to the aid of infidels as you would be going against Holy Scripture. But that is a personal matter of conscience after hearing God's word. Do you Believe in God's word or the word and postings of mere infidels? Again, we cannot have any sympathy for those who do not have any sympathy or respect for God's Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ. That is the way it is, that is the way it has always been and that is the way it will always be. Don't you realize that infidels come only to disrespect the word of God? When have you ever heard them PRAISE Him? So, now you should know their true agenda. Haven't you read their cold postings and what they are saying? Do you still feel you can defend them over God's word? He is very clear on this matter. Lucidly clear. I will pray that you will know the difference in your heart between hearing and understanding God's word and defending infidels. But if you want to join them by going against God, who am I to stop you? I can only show you the difference through Scripture as with everyone. May God Bless you and open your eyes to see the Truth in His word.

[lobrobster]

I am sure that you will receive God's word in your heart if you are a Christian, to reveal how wrong you are in coming to the aid of infidels as you would be going against Holy Scripture. But that is a personal matter of conscience after hearing God's word. Do you Believe in God's word or the word and postings of mere infidels? Again, we cannot have any sympathy for those who do not have any sympathy or respect for God's Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ. That is the way it is, that is the way it has always been and that is the way it will always be. Don't you realize that infidels come only to disrespect the word of God? When have you ever heard them PRAISE Him? So, now you should know their true agenda. Haven't you read their cold postings and what they are saying? Do you still feel you can defend them over God's word? He is very clear on this matter. Lucidly clear. I will pray that you will know the difference in your heart between hearing and understanding God's word and defending infidels. But if you want to join them by going against God, who am I to stop you? I can only show you the difference through Scripture as with everyone. May God Bless you and open your eyes to see the Truth in His word.

This wonderful piece of bigotry should do more to upset Christians than anyone else. They should be ashamed to call someone like you one of their own. You're an embarrassment to Christianity.

[NeedKarma]

I am sure that you will receive God's word in your heart if you are a Christian, to reveal how wrong you are in coming to the aid of infidels as you would be going against Holy Scripture. But that is a personal matter of conscience after hearing God's word. Do you Believe in God's word or the word and postings of mere infidels? Again, we cannot have any sympathy for those who do not have any sympathy or respect for God's Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ. That is the way it is, that is the way it has always been and that is the way it will always be. Don't you realize that infidels come only to disrespect the word of God? When have you ever heard them PRAISE Him? So, now you should know their true agenda. Haven't you read their cold postings and what they are saying? Do you still feel you can defend them over God's word? He is very clear on this matter. Lucidly clear. I will pray that you will know the difference in your heart between hearing and understanding God's word and defending infidels. But if you want to join them by going against God, who am I to stop you? I can only show you the difference through Scripture as with everyone. May God Bless you and open your eyes to see the Truth in His word.

You are a frightening person Skygem. This is the kind of talk that leads people away from religion.. any and all religion. Your post is similar rhetoric to the ones that use religion as a justification for killing others. I truly hope they are not many of your type.

[Allheart]

Hi SkiGem,

First I want to apologize to you for ever questioning the love you have for Christ in your heart. That was wrong of me and I am very deeply sorry.

I don't know what to say about the rest. It makes me sad and cry. It honestly does. I can't even think straight. I read your words several times.

Then only thing I do know is I love God and would never consciously go against him. EVER.
When I sin, I go against him, but I did not realize loving my brothers and sisters would be going against them and that makes me so sad.

I thank you very much for explaining your reasoning to me and feel terrible about some of what I wrote. But because I love my brothers and sisters no matter what... makes me a
Non-beleiver? Makes me go against God? I will really need to pray on it.

I also need to take myself to see a priest and ask these questions that I have in my heart. Whenever I would seek council of a priest no matter what the circumstances, I instantly had a clear understanding.

SkyGem - Again I am sorry - if I hurt or upset you. That was wrong of me.

I will continue to love and show concern for anyone that I think may be hurt.

But as I said, I really should speak to a priest, it seems it is the only time I can freely accept things.

This all makes me sad at heart - and now you planted a seed in my mind that being sad in heart for all no matter what, goes against God.

And trust me, no one was seeking my sympathy. That I do know.

[Allheart]

God is so good :)

I still am a bit sad at heart... buuuuuut look a this. Now I am not one to quote bible scriptures, not at all. But I might be right.

God commanded us to love each other. He did not say... Love one another that Loves me... He said... Love one another as I love you.

How can you not embrace these scriptures:


love one another - King James Version - Bible Search

[Allheart]

Quote:
Originally Posted by lobrobster
I don't mean to be sarcastic, but maybe it's because they believe 'our Father' is going to torture them for eternity anyway. What's a little ranting and raving compared to what you so gladly accept to be in store for non-believers?

This is what I said:

I'm sorry Lob - I don't understand what your saying. Forgive me. And you may have misunderstood what I said.

I was not directing it to anyone, and honestly I don't really see the ranting and raving in this thread, but did you ever come across those that have the bible in one hand, and scream that those who don't accept Jesus are going to hell, that gays are doomed. But it's not done in a loving way, it's done in an angry way. That is what I was referring to.

I am sorry that I wasn't understanding your thoughts. I don't gladly accept what is in store for non-believers, I honestly don't even let my mind go there. I pretty much am trying to clean my act up so I can more easily do right the it be such a struggle. And when I pray more and remember what is important, it is so much easier.

Does that make sense?

Comments on this post
Love-Life disagrees: Oh my god are you out of your mind? Whats "going to happen" to people who don't beleive in god? What happens to everyone in the world who isn't Christian? Who is Hindu or Muslim or Buddist? Are they going to hell too? YOUR CRAZY.

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Love Life - I think you may have misunderstood or I am misunderstanding you. The top of my original post above ....was a quote from someone else. I have never said anyone was going to hell.

And I really wish you wouldn't have called me crazy - Allheart will do.

There's no need to be unkind Love Life. But I do think you need to go back and read the post that I wrote before you go on the attack. Actually you shouldn't be attacking anyone.
Hope you see the misunderstanding.

[SkyGem]

Hi SkiGem,

Warm greetings, Allheart!

First I want to apologize to you for ever questioning the love you have for Christ in your heart. That was wrong of me and I am very deeply sorry.

Apology accepted. I forgive you in Christ Jesus and it need not bother you anymore.

I don't know what to say about the rest. It makes me sad and cry. It honestly does. I can't even think straight. I read your words several times.

Then only thing I do know is I love God and would never conciously go against him. EVER.

I can hope to sense that, Allheart. You are a good person deep down but also care for your fellow man even when their words may tend to confuse you in their true meaning.

When I sin, I go against him, but I did not realize loving my brothers and sisters would be going against them and that makes me so sad.

Loving One Another is not a sin, for as you know, Jesus said we should do that and I hope you too would reach out to infidels and love them enough to offer them a chance to Change from their un-Believing ways. And as a person who truly cares about those who are lost in the sin of being un-Believers, I have reached out to them in true Love because I want only the best for them and their souls. But they have not listened, they continue to reject the word of God. They have literally turned their backs on the Only One True God, Jesus Christ. But if I am wrong, let the un-Believers correct me on this immediately! I stand ready to accept them with OPEN ARMS if they say they Believe in Jesus Christ and will accept Him as their Lord and Savior because Scripture tells us unequivocally that He is the One and Only true God! They would need to openly give testimony of their acceptance and Belief in Jesus Christ as God expects all Believers to do that and that is why we Christians do so so very often! I stand ready, at this very moment, to listen to those who have Changed their ways to accept Him! Let us now see how many will respond to this call.

I thank you very much for explaining your reasoning to me and feel terrible about some of what I wrote. But because I love my brothers and sisters no matter what...makes me a
non-beleiver? Makes me go against God? I will really need to pray on it.

Allheart, because you love your brothers and sisters does not make you a non-Believer if you are a true Christian Believer to begin with, inasmuch as you have not stated that you love infidels that hate God and thus Jesus Christ. Had you made that statement, I could not defend your actions. The only thing I cannot speak to, as it is not my place but rather God's, is if you would continue to embrace infidels knowing that they continue to live in sin by continuing to be infidels because that is against the Scripture I have revealed to you.

I also need to take myself to see a priest and ask these questions that I have in my heart. Whenever I would seek council of a priest no matter what the circumstances, I instantly had a clear understanding.

Just as you wish, but please make sure that the priest you go to knows and understands the Holy Bible. I say this because many priests have revealed that they do not even read the Bible. That is sad indeed to learn. And if they do not read and understand the Bible as Protestants do, then how could they possibly be in a position to help you with this most important matter.

SkyGem - Again I am sorry - if I hurt or upset you. That was wrong of me.

And remember that you have already been forgiven in Christ Jesus. When one says things, sometimes they are not thinking of what they say in the energy of the moment but I am most forgiving when one comes back with contrite heart to ask for forgiveness. But truly, it does not matter about me because this is not about me, Allheart. It is about God through His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ. So, you can say what you have about me so long as you do not injure the word of the Lord as that is what would truly hurt me and upset me more than you could possibly ever know or realize.

I will continue to love and show concern for anyone that I think may be hurt.

I only wish infidels would have that same degree of compassion for those who try to help them by opening their eyes to see the Word of God and how it can help Save them from their destructive way of thinking. When I quote the Bible and say what I say, I am being led to do those things by God's Spirit, you must understand. And I speak with great passion when moved by Spirit! But know and understand that even God could not love or show concern for Lucifer after he turned his back on Him. Neither can I support those who do not support the God I believe in with all my heart and spirit and who have turned their back on Him.

But as I said, I really should speak to a priest, it seems it is the only time I can freely accept things.

Please consider and be guided in that by what I have said above on that matter.

This all makes me sad at heart - and now you planted a seed in my mind that being sad in heart for all no matter what, goes against God.

Being sad in heart for a true cause does not go against God. For even God through Jesus Christ and His Blessed Mother Mary feel very sad for those who do not Believe! They constantly strive to Open Their Eyes that they will See the Light, be Saved, and quit living in darkness.

And trust me, no one was seeking my sympathy. That I do know.

On another note, I will no longer knowingly respond to infidels who come to these forums to try to make a mockery of God, as to do so would cause me to have little to no belief in the very Scripture I am speaking about ( 2 CORINTHIANS 6:14-18 (KJV). And as a Born Again Christian, the Holy Spirit would not allow it unless the person professes to have Changed and has become a Believer, then and only then could we possibly have harmonious fellowship together. Remember, Jesus ate with publicans and sinners but only so they could hear His words and Change from their way of life and beliefs. When they would not, He disengaged further fellowship with them as He had given them all a fair chance to become Believers.

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[talaniman]

I can only hope you are true to your word, so us humans, as wrong as we are, can interact and learn, without being called names and cursed.

[SkyGem]

God is so good :)

Completely Agreed! Jesus is WONDERFUL!!

I still am a bit sad at heart......buuuuuut look a this. Now I am not one to quote bible scriptures, not at all. But I might be right.

God commanded us to love each other. He did not say....Love one another that Loves me...He said....Love one another as I love you.

How can you not embrace these scriptures:

love one another - King James Version - Bible Search
love one another - King James Version - Bible Search

One must never lose sight of the fact that the following Scripture explains it all when dealing with those who reject God.

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." -- 1 CORINTHIANS 2:14 (KJV)

This means that infidels or un-Believers will never understand the things of God nor know them simply because they come from God's Spirit which they do not know nor want to know. So, when we try to speak to them about God and how they can make amends to their present life, they do not want to understand and instead become angry and go on the defensive as God's message cannot reach those who have literally closed their heart and shut the door on Him.

Therefore, we can Love One Another in the hope that our words in Scripture can Change those who have hardened their hearts to where it has almost petrified in their non-Belief. God's message to many of these people will truly move unto them and many have become Believers as they begin to understand the Lord's word from those who Love them enough to bring it to them. We must thus Love One Another to want the very best for their Salvation through Jesus Christ!