[NeedKarma]

Would love to hear some substance besides "change is good" and other such lofty platitudes .

Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Issues

Feel free to download the PDF as well, it's 64 pages.

[Dark_crow]

I don’t think we will get a clear picture until after the nomination…But 2 things that I see different and would be a change:

Obama is not a Washington insider and the overwhelming majority of his support does not come from special interests, but rather from a grassroots movement, a movement that just raised $32 million in January alone.

[Dark_crow]

64 pages of changes…WOW!! I don't know if I want that many changes

[NeedKarma]

It doesn't matter how much he writes or the content of it you don't any of it anyway - that's a given. Tell us something we don't know.

[NeedKarma]

Looks like he's taken the delegate lead:
Maine Puts Topper On Obama Sweep, Obama Takes Delegate Lead With Wins In 4 States; Clinton Manager Steps Down - CBS News

[tomder55]

I am well aware of where he stands . DC is correct this Obama "movement " is disturbingly cult like. Sooner or later people are going to start questioning about how he plans to deliver.

And yet there was something just a wee bit creepy about the mass messianism — "We are the ones we've been waiting for" — of the Super Tuesday speech and the recent turn of the Obama campaign. "This time can be different because this campaign for the presidency of the United States of America is different. It's different not because of me. It's different because of you." That is not just maddeningly vague but also disingenuous: the campaign is entirely about Obama and his ability to inspire. Rather than focusing on any specific issue or cause — other than an amorphous desire for change — the message is becoming dangerously self-referential. The Obama campaign all too often is about how wonderful the Obama campaign is.

Inspiration vs. Substance -- Printout -- TIME

[NeedKarma]

I am well aware of where he stands .

So why did you post this?

Would love to hear some substance besides "change is good" and other such lofty platitudes.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...tml#post875716

You guys are scared, it shows. This is going to be fun.:)

[George_1950]

I don’t think we will get a clear picture until after the nomination…But 2 things that I see different and would be a change:

Obama is not a Washington insider and the overwhelming majority of his support does not come from special interests, but rather from a grassroots movement, a movement that just raised $32 million in January alone.

You have to 'square' your assertion that Obama is not an insider with the fact that he is in Washington.
Then you have this: Lobbyists on Obama’s ’08 payroll
By Alexander Bolton and Brittney Moraski
December 20, 2007

Three political aides on Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-Ill.) payroll were registered lobbyists for dozens of corporations, including Wal-Mart, British Petroleum and Lockheed Martin, while they received payments from his campaign, according to public documents.
From Political Forums - Politico.com

Plus, account for $102 million through December, 2007. He is the 50th wealthiest senator. The argument that he is an 'outsider' won't go far, and neither will his election without huge infusions of cash from?

[NeedKarma]

Hey Tom - thanks for editing your post after I quote it. :rolleyes:

[tomder55]

So why did you post this?
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Would love to hear some substance besides "change is good" and other such lofty platitudes.

See my posting above . He doesn't talk substance on the stump and rarely in debate. Most of his supporters have not logged onto his web site position papers.

[NeedKarma]

Most of his supporters have not logged onto his web site position papers.

Yes they have.

[tomder55]

Hey Tom - thanks for editing your post after I quote it. :rolleyes:

Timing is everything. I was editing as you were responding .

[Dark_crow]

I am well aware of where he stands . DC is correct this Obama "movement " is disturbingly cult like. Sooner or later people are going to start questioning about how he plans to deliver.



Inspiration vs. Substance -- Printout -- TIME

Exactly, Tom. He is literally pontificating big ideals and that always makes me suspicious. Particularly by some politician who lacks knowledge of how Washington works. Not that I am against many of his Ideals, but it is dubious as to whether he, or anyone, can pull it off.

[Dark_crow]

I’ll clarify that for you George…He is not one of the Washington elite.

[NeedKarma]

I'm more worried about someone going to Washington with the same ideals as the previous administration. I believe that's what most of the country feels as well.

[Dark_crow]

No chance of that NK

EDIT: Although Obama is talking up Faith, as in Religion.

[NeedKarma]

You are such a pessimist - it's what drives you. :)

[Dark_crow]

You are such a pessimist - it's what drives you. :)

You just discovered that? It just happened in the last year and I’m having a hell of a time coping with it. :)

[NeedKarma]

Probably related to age. You need to have some grandkids running around you.

[Dark_crow]

Age is right; I only have two and they are halfway across the country.