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    #161

    Feb 8, 2008, 03:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl
    I just know Obama would improve the quality of sex education in public schools.
    Alrighty then, what's his proposal to do that?
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    #162

    Feb 8, 2008, 03:54 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx
    Alrighty then, what's his proposal to do that?
    Obama sponsored sex education legislation in the Illinois Senate that supported "local schools informing kindergarteners that babies do not come from the stork" and "teaching kindergarteners about 'inappropriate touching.'"

    From Obama and sex ed for kids - The Body Odd - msnbc.com --

    The Obama campaign gave this statement to CBN's David Brody: "Barack Obama supports sensible, community-driven education for children because, among other things, he believes it could help protect them from pedophiles. A child's knowledge of the difference between appropriate and inappropriate touching is crucial to keeping them safe from predators."

    From The Reaction: Obama, sex education, and the inevitable smears --

    What Obama actually supports is "age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools," which is a great idea... Given that our children are being inundated with sexual images, that they are learning about sex, and not always good things about sex, at ever younger ages, that they are having sex at ever younger ages, or at least having irresponsible sex at disturbingly young ages, that HIV and other sexually-transmitted diseases and teen pregnancy remain serious problems, that, in generally, our children are being sexualized at early ages, there very much needs to be such sex education in the schools.
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    Feb 8, 2008, 04:10 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl
    What Obama actually supports is "age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools," which is a great idea.... Given that our children are being inundated with sexual images, that they are learning about sex, and not always good things about sex, at ever younger ages, that they are having sex at ever younger ages, or at least having irresponsible sex at disturbingly young ages, that HIV and other sexually-transmitted diseases and teen pregnancy remain serious problems, that, in generally, our children are being sexualized at early ages, there very much needs to be such sex education in the schools.
    Yep, sounds identical to Planned Parenthood's position. And now that HPV is linked to oral cancer in men, what kind of safe sex should we be teaching in our schools?
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    Feb 8, 2008, 04:14 PM
    "age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools," is just another example of symbolism with-out substance. They mean different things to different people. Everyone can agree with the symbolism but the division begins when we get to substance.
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    #165

    Feb 8, 2008, 04:14 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx
    Yep, sounds identical to Planned Parenthood's position. And now that HPV is linked to oral cancer in men, what kind of safe sex should we be teaching in our schools?
    Not necessarily. Safe sex = abstinence.
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    Feb 8, 2008, 06:05 PM
    I would guess yes, he does--definitely that the safest sex is abstinence..
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    Feb 9, 2008, 05:36 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl
    I would guess yes, he does--definitely that the safest sex is abstinence..
    But would he teach it?
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    #168

    Feb 9, 2008, 07:32 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx
    But would he teach it?
    Yes. He has two daughters. I'm sure he would want each of them to choose abstinence until they found the right guy.
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    #169

    Feb 9, 2008, 09:36 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by clinton mccoy
    I want the best person also. To me the person that can cross party lines and gain support would be the person of my choice. I like a person who makes me feel like they would sit down and eat dinner with me.
    Be real, none of those white people would sit down and eat with you if the cameras aren't there. This country of ours (which is the best in the world) is still one of the most racist places in the world. Black people have bent over backwards to be accepted and white people haven't done that yet. That man is just as qualified as anyone else running for President. The only way he will be elected is if the powers that be says he will. Don't let them fool you.
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    Feb 9, 2008, 09:41 AM
    Very interesting and something that should be considered in your
    Choice.

    Who is Barack Obama?

    Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born
    In Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. a black MUSLIM
    From Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from
    Wichita, Kansas.
    Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two
    Years old, his parents divorced. Hi s father returned to Kenya. His
    Mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia.
    When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocate to Indonesia. Obama
    Attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a
    Catholic school.

    Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is
    Quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also
    attended Catholic school."

    Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that
    That he is not a radical.

    Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this
    Influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned
    To Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct
    Influence over his son's education.

    Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham,
    Introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school
    In Jakarta.

    Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim
    Terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since
    It is politically expedient to be a CH RISTIAN when seeking major
    Public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined
    The United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim
    Background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he
    DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran.

    Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor
    Will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands
    Over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches.

    Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential
    Candidacy.

    The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside
    Out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the
    President of the United States, one of their own!!
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    #171

    Feb 9, 2008, 10:11 AM
    He has attended and is a member of the Trinity Unity Church of Christ all this time as a deception? He sure has all of us fooled!!

    There are plenty of reasons to vote against him . But this religion card is a false smear .

    Give me one solid piece of proof that he is a practicing Muslim besides this rediiculous assertion that because his father was one then by association he is one. The charge that he was sworn in using the Koran is an outright lie.
    Press reports from Obama's swearing-in ceremony mention specifically that Obama took the oath of office by placing his hand on his own Bible. Vice President Cheney administered the oath. I guarantee he would've brought it up by now if it were true. Minnesota Congressman Keith Ellison is the congressman who swore in on the Koran ;not Obama. Urban Legends Reference Pages: Who Is Barack Obama?
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    #172

    Feb 9, 2008, 10:13 AM
    What does "black" have anything to do with it?
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    #173

    Feb 9, 2008, 10:25 AM
    With all this talk, I half expect to see the name on the ballot written as Balack Obama... Not that I think it would matter... He'll still defeat Hitlery
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    #174

    Feb 9, 2008, 11:27 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by s_cianci
    What does "black" have anything to do with it?

    I also agree with that, what does "black" have to do with anything? I think most of America feels that way. But I think, not very sure and probably shouldn't speak for the black community, but it may be possible that it is very exciting for the black community. Not to say the community would favor him because of his race, but he would be the very first black President, and with all the struggles the community faced in our history, this may be huge for African Americans.

    I have to admit, when I first heard Hillary was running, I thought... Uh oh... as I kiddingly said, you know how us females can get. Mad as heck one minute and may even lash out and then afterwards, we get all teary eyed saying, I'm so sorry, I really didn't mean that. I thought we all need to run for the hills :p

    In truth, I did take the time to watch some of the debates, and I have to tell you, Hillary holds her own and has impressed me. I do love and admire strong women, although that would not make me vote for her, but she did impress me.

    The fact that she was female... and I'm female... and it would be the first female... didn't really get me excited... until recently. There is a little part of me inside, beaming with some pride that a female may be President and a part of me thinks that's pretty awesome and does excite me just a little. But it still would not be my reason to vote for her. Not saying I am not... I am still undecided.

    So, I'm thinking, it may be the same for the black communtiy, perhaps in their heart of hearts there is a light of excitement... can't say I blame them.
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    #175

    Feb 9, 2008, 07:31 PM
    Well, I'm not sure we are. But were most definitely ready for a women. And not a Republican either. So he is the next best thing?
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    #176

    Feb 9, 2008, 09:38 PM
    I think America is, I'm not an Americain citizen, but my only concern is that the voters won't choose him because of the rate of racisim in America.
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    #177

    Feb 9, 2008, 09:40 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by s_cianci
    What does "black" have anything to do with it?
    I agree, what does "black" have to do with it? I've seen him on plenty of talk shows, he's an amazing man.
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    #178

    Feb 10, 2008, 07:54 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by clinton mccoy
    Is America ready for a black president?
    Hello clinton:

    It's the wrong question.

    When our founding fathers established this great nation, they didn't ask the world whether it was ready for something they had never seen before. They KNEW it was ready.

    I'm damn glad, too.

    excon
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    #179

    Feb 10, 2008, 08:16 AM
    Ok so here are my two cents and unfortunately it may not be a popular answer. I can not answer the above question because America is made up of social pockets. I can not pretend to speak for someone from Seattle or Austin or from New Orleans. I happen to live in the north east and the truthful answer in this part of the country is no. I will sight the New Hampshire primary as my example. Obama was going to crush Hilary by over a double digit percentage. But what happened? People said one thing and did what they were comfortable with. The North East is full of small towns and quaint villages, the truth is that if a black male is walking down the street or is in the store, they are given multiple looks. People are just not comfortable with it due to stereo types. But this is not just a black thing, I see it with middle easterners, people of mexican or central american heritage as well. Is it right? Of course not, but it's reality.
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    #180

    Feb 13, 2008, 10:55 AM
    I don't like Obama because there is more to him than meets the eye. Wake up America.

    Go Hillary!

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