[NeedKarma]

But if something bad happens, I surely don't blame him.

I thinks that's his point, how come you don't blame him?

[Capuchin]

The tornado is not permanent and it causes disorder - the destruction of man's order.

If there does not need to be a first cause - how is tha believed in?

God makes the rules - the physical laws that science documents - He transcends them.

And yes voila is correct. ;) thanks

And there you have it. The tornado on it's own is full of order, but if you look at the whole system, there is disorder being created elsewhere.

Exactly the same as evolution and the Sun.

[Allheart]

I don't know. I am being very honest. Never crossed my mind to.

I guess we look at the Lord as Our Father, Our heavenly Father. Who loves us and protects us. Similar in some ways to our earthly Father. So in that scenario, and this may be a stretch, but it is how I see it,

When a Dad works so hard, that now his family can enjoy a beautiful vacation to sunny wherever, and the family gleefully thanks Dad for making the vaction possible and off the go to sunny wherever. Now when it rains every day in sunny wherever, the family does not turn and blame good hard working Dad for the rain.

I guess I view it as blessings do come from the Father and to be quite honest, in each difficult time I can see God's loving hand either helping, guiding or supporting. So blame is never something that I would do or even think of doing.

[wewed100606]

I don't know. I am being very honest. Never crossed my mind to.

I guess we look at the Lord as Our Father, Our heavenly Father. Who loves us and protects us. Similar in some ways to our earthly Father. So in that scenario, and this may be a stretch, but it is how I see it,

When a Dad works so hard, that now his family can enjoy a beautiful vacation to sunny wherever, and the family gleefully thanks Dad for making the vaction possible and off the go to sunny wherever. Now when it rains every day in sunny wherever, the family does not turn and blame good hard working Dad for the rain.

I guess I view it as blessings do come from the Father and to be quite honest, in each difficult time I can see God's loving hand either helping, guiding or supporting. So blame is never something that I would do or even think of doing.

The only problem with your analogy is that you are talking about a human who can only control so much. My comment was pertaining to the fact that this all knowing, all powerful God of yours can prevent everything bad that happens, but doesn't. But that isn't his fault, the only things that are his fault are the good things!

[Allheart]

The only problem with your analogy is that you are talking about a human who can only control so much. My comment was pertaining to the fact that this all knowing, all powerful God of yours can prevent everything bad that happens, but doesn't. But that isn't his fault, the only things that are his fault are the good things!?

Bingo - Now you got it ! Move to the front of the class :D Just trying interject a chuckle.

You are right, you are very right, when things go wrong I do not blame him. Now in some very odd way, in each bad thing, in each thing that "goes wrong", there is a blessing of some sorts. So perhaps that is why I don't blame God.

Some times when "bad things" happen we don't know why at the time but sometimes the why is revealed later.

But honestly, and I am sorry for this, I don't have a firm answer as to why I don't blame God when things go wrong, I tend to blame myself as to why I didn't do things differently.

Would you want us to blame God? Or you are just curious as to why we don't?

[ineedhelpfast]

I don't want to lectur you but I will say the reason people do bad things is cause we are evil, yes even the religious people. God gave us a free will and what we choose to do with it is completely up to us. But there is consequenses for what we do

[NeedKarma]

I'm not evil, are you?

[Allheart]

i dont want to lectur you but i will say the reason peolpe do bad things is cause we are evil, yes even the religious peolpe. God gave us a free will and what we choose to do with it is completely up to us. but there is consequenses for what we do

I agree with that, but with one very important exception. I don't think we are evil. I think we are all human and capable of doing good and capable of doing bad.

Do I think that there are those that have fallen so hard and so deeply that evil has entered their behaviour... Yes. And it is quite scarey. Evil is amongst us, but no I do not believe God's children are evil.

[ineedhelpfast]

when someone does thing that you are just like what would posses them to do that, things like murder, rape, etc. the evil I'm referring to is the sin nature we are born with. The reason we don't know is simply because we are spiriually dead. This may be a little to deep but questions are welcome

[NeedKarma]

I'm not born with a sin nature nor am I spiritually dead. Everyone makes mistakes. Some people are psychotic due to their upbringing or a brain defect but I don't believe Satan made them do it.

[ineedhelpfast]

You see, its kind of hard to just type everything out, and not really talk, so I will try to explain this with the best of my ability. Basically if have never read the bible or don't believe in it, you won't understand until you ask God to show you

[wewed100606]

OK

[NeedKarma]

That's basically a non-answer. It's back to the faith basis of your belief.

[Allheart]

you see, its kind of hard to just type everything out, and not really talk, so i will try to explain this with the best of my ability. basically if have never read the bible or dont believe in it, you wont understand until you ask God to show you

I need, please don't take this wrong, but that is the kind of answer that makes people sometimes feel cold.

I know it is so hard to explain, I've struggled all day. But there is more ways for the Lord to enter one's heart than the bible.

At least that is what I think.

[ineedhelpfast]

Correct

[Synnen]

you see, its kind of hard to just type everything out, and not really talk, so i will try to explain this with the best of my ability. basically if have never read the bible or dont believe in it, you wont understand until you ask God to show you

Why SHOULD I ask your god to show me?

MY goddess has it in hand, thanks.

And the Bible? Written by men. I have as much faith in the Qaran, the Kama Sutra, The Complete Works of Shakespeare, The Oxford English Dictionary, and the Encyclopedia Britannica.

[ineedhelpfast]

You don't have to, that's why I said its choice that we make, wheter to believe or not to

[Allheart]

you dont have to, thats why i said its choice that we make, wheter to believe or not to

Hi Ineed - I do understand how hard it is to communicate the love of God, so don't feel bad.

How do the priest and nuns make it looks so easy. I guess they are a lot closer to it then I am.

Understanding the bible is so difficult and it is left up to so many interruptations. When I do pick it up, I hang out in Psalms -

Just letting you know, I do understand how difficult it is.

[ineedhelpfast]

Thank you for your kindness

[Allheart]

thank you for your kindness

And thank You for trying. And I think everyone appreciates you trying we all are feeling our way around together. As they say... It's all good :)