[Wondergirl]

So one does not have to be a Christian and have faith in order to receive healing.

[shygrneyzs]

Do you know, for an absolute fact, that this woman has genuine Stigmata? Or are you believing in her based on her website?

[SkyGem]

So one does not have to be a Christian and have faith in order to receive healing.

Wondergirl, when one is not a Christian nor has faith, God performs His miracles especially upon them to show them the Power of His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ! And when an unbeliever seems to be receiving more healing than others, it is because others who care and love that person are praying for them and God hears their prayers! Therefore, it is with sincere hope that people will at that moment See The Light and change from their previous un-believing ways. But know that not everyone will be healed. There will be those who are quite resistant to the Power of Christ and His Light in their life and thus, will remain with their infirmities unhealed due to their basic way of thinking. But He may thus, heal even those people also, simply because He created them too and Loves them even if they don't believe in Him at present. But there is a limit to everything and no one but God knows when the end of His mercy upon these people will be. But for those ready for change and who have sat on the fence for a long period of time contemplating which way to go and who finally want to know Jesus in their heart, He can truly Move Mountains (i.e., that which seems to be the impossible)! And many former un-believers have become Believers when they see the miracles that He performs in their lives!

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God's Word is indeed *infallible*. It's man's mis-interpretation and re-interpretation of it that I am concerned about.

[Wondergirl]

But know that not everyone will be healed.

Nor even all the Bible-believing, God-loving Christians.

[SkyGem]

Do you know, for an absolute fact, that this woman has genuine Stigmata? Or are you believing in her based on her website?

Greetings shygrneyzs, If you are asking if I have met her personally and inspected her hands I can tell you that I do not live anywhere near her, however, anyone who has gone through the expense of building a center in order to Help people in need and whose hands clearly show them being swollen with the Stigmata and who asks openly for Prayers due to the pain the Stigmata causes (it generally lasts about three whole days), makes me believe that no one would spend that kind of time or money in order to help others unless they were sincere. And you don't often hear of people who are insincere asking for people to pray for them. There are just many things in her website that point to her Christianity such as Biblical verses that are quoted often and her belief in "The Big Guy" as she affectionately calls Him and the work she does for Him.

She is not a saint as I have not found anywhere on her website where she refers to herself as that. People, on the other hand, who have gone to her have started calling her "Blessed" due to the holy work she does. This is where belief in one of God's servants comes in. Just as no one has seen God yet many have Faith in Him because of what they see Him do in their lives each and every day that no other man ever could do and the oceans, trees, animals, human life, etc. that no human could make except God, people release their faith in things unseen because it rings true for them at a deeper level of being. Now, this fine lady is certainly not God, of course, but God does use many people to do His work on Earth such as spiritual healing, etc. and I do believe she is one of the chosen for this work. She has been a guest on many t.v. and radio programs and anyone interested in knowing if her stigmata is real should contact those places for further information. Again, I am not her spokesperson but feel strongly that she is very much on the level with what she says. And of course, what better opportunity than to actually go and visit her for those who live in California or are planning to go there, to ask her questions about her Stigmata and anything else they want to know about. She even gives directions to where she can be found on her website.

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God's Word is indeed *infallible*. It's man's mis-interpretation and re-interpretation of it that I am concerned about.

[NeedKarma]

however, anyone who has gone through the expense of building a center in order to Help people in need and whose hands clearly show them being swollen with the Stigmata and who asks openly for Prayers due to the pain the Stigmata causes (it generally lasts about three whole days), makes me believe that no one would spend that kind of time or money in order to help others unless they were sincere. ...She even gives directions to where she can be found on her website.

I can whip a convincing website in 15 minutes so that proves nothing. She has not built a center, it's a house across from a gas station: Google Maps (click on Street View). There are a lot of scammers and gullible people in this world - please be neither.

[SkyGem]

Originally Posted by SkyGem
But know that not everyone will be healed

Nor even all the Bible-believing, God-loving Christians.

Unfortunately, no, Wondergirl. Just because a person is a Christian does not automatically make them impervious to illness. Their Faith in God has to be strong and is often tested! Many fall short and thus fail that test therefore, their illness continues. Jesus once was sailing in a boat with His disciples when a bad tempest overcame them. The disciples became frightened and awoke Jesus who was sleeping and told Him to save them from the storm. Jesus replied "O, ye of little Faith!".

"And He saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then He arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm. But the men marvelled, saying, What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey Him!" -- MATTHEW 8: 26-27 (KJV)

What Jesus was making reference to here is their lack of belief that with strong faith the storm, just like the "storms" in life could be made to go away. But He stood up, showing his mercy for the unbelievers and calmed the storm and His disciples were much relieved.

"And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord." -- LUKE 1:45 (KJV)

So it is with other Christians, since no one is perfect, people of all faiths have doubts and with doubt God's healing and immaculate perfection cannot be sustained in their body. For a body that doubts is a body that has not seen the Light of God. But many Christians have made their faith strong and thus, God helps those people and even calls them 'blessed' due to their belief in Him. One has to show God that they are worthy of His healing in their life in order to truly receive it. Those who deep down truly do not want it do not get it. That is why many remain very ill in hospitals and elsewhere and even pass on when they could very well be restored to health, but their lack of faith has caused their demise. Yet, it does not take a ton of faith either (just strong faith).

"And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you." -- MATTHEW 17:20 (KJV)

A grain of mustard seed is indeed very tiny but just look at the strength of that seed which can produce a mustard plant! Jesus indeed is merciful and will hear the prayers of others on their behalf and many times will move to heal them but when healing occurs, those who know where that healing comes from will Praise God and thus, their healing is sustained.

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God's Word is indeed *infallible*. It's man's mis-interpretation and re-interpretation of it that I am concerned about.

[Galveston1]

I do definitely believe that healing is provided in the Atonement that Jesus Christ made. Basis for that kind of healing is found many places in the scripture. What I wonder is what Scriptural basis is there for stigmata? I have never read of it.

[Wondergirl]

Stigmata fascinated me when I was in high school, so I did a long research paper on it. There is no Scriptural basis for stigmata. Most (but not all) of the stigmatics have been Catholic. None have charged for healing. Blessed Tiffany charges $95 (and more) per hour.

[SkyGem]

I do definitely believe that healing is provided in the Atonement that Jesus Christ made. Basis for that kind of healing is found many places in the scripture. What I wonder is what Scriptural basis is there for stigmata? I have never read of it.

I can say that during my research I have found that there are at least 63 saints who have been known to have Stigmata. Among them are St. Francis and Padre Pio. The word "stigmata" is not found in the Bible by that name though the wounds of Christ that He suffered on the cross at Calvary are irrefutable.

Let's let a friar address this question of yours concerning Scriptural basis in the following website.

a minor friar: Stigmata


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God's Word is indeed *infallible*. It's man's mis-interpretation and re-interpretation of it that I am concerned about.

[Capuchin]

So, as some illnesses have better and better drugs developed for fighting them, does God favor healing people who take stronger drugs over people who are faithful to him?

[Wondergirl]

On Sunday, there was a shooting at a mall in one of Chicago's southern suburbs. Six women were taken into a changing room, duct-taped, and shot in the head. One survived. Her mother told a newspaper reporter that God had intervened and saved her daughter.

I'm wondering why God didn't save the other women. And why did he save that particular one? Or did God intervene at all? Maybe the killer's aim was bad?

[NeedKarma]

Wondergirl,
God is all-powerful, He must have wanted those women dead. All part of His great plan. That should provide all the comfort necessary for the families.

[Wondergirl]

NK,
The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. Blessed be the name of the Lord.

[Galveston1]

Wondergirl,
God is all-powerful, He must have wanted those women dead. All part of His great plan. That should provide all the comfort necessary for the families.

I'm sure you will be amazed to learn that our Creator turned this world over to Man who promptly turned it over to Satan. God does not control every thing that goes on in this world. Eventually, He will, but for now Man has his hand in everything up to the shoulder! God gets blamed for things that Man does. You just don't understand how thlings are.

[Wondergirl]

You just don't understand how thlings are.

You missed the tongue-in-cheek part, Gal.

[Wondergirl]

God does not control every thing that goes on in this world.

There's passive control and there's active control. Check what those terms mean in a Christian context.