[Galveston1]

In all of this I detect a bit of religion baiting and a tablespoon of Bush bashing. I think that probably the most important thing that our President does is the appointment of federal judges. On this point "W" gets an "A". Those lifetime judges do more to influence our lives than several Presidents. My fear is that the next President will load the courts with activist judges who will legislate rather than adjudicate, as did Bill Clinton. To me, the choice of any Democrat and John McCain is a bad dream. Let's get back to the Constitution as closely as possible, if possible. Would this redneck's political assessment be permitted at this point? If the Republican candidate cannot win the conservative base, then we will have a government completely controlled by the Democrats. (Welcome to the United Socialist States of America [USSA]).

[NeedKarma]

Thanks Galveston, that was funny. :)

[tomder55]

It is worth noting that McCain said that he may not have appointed Alito because "he wears his conservatism on his sleeve " . He also led the gang of 14 who prevented a rule change in the Senate to stop the stalling of judicial appointments. Because of that many of the President's nominess still hang in limbo.

[Galveston1]

One problem with this thread is that we cannot question or challenge the author of it. There is no way we can find out where he is coming from. It sounds to me like just another liberal rant, with a lot of presuppositions and not much intelligence.

[excon]

Hello Gal:

I'm a politics wonk. Actually, if you took this piece apart paragraph by paragraph, it's pretty darn accurate. In fact, I could document most every accusation with who did it, and why.

Sure, there are couple things that are a little further out there than even I would go, like the high fructose syrup thing and the waste is good thing. But, the rest is right on.

excon

[Galveston1]

OK. Let's start with paragraph 2. Not that I disagree, but what would the author do about the situation? Public education is in the toilet. The only bright spot on the horizon are the private, Christian, and home schools. Those students consistently score higher and have a better grasp of just about everything. My youngest son completed his high school work 6 months ahead of schedule in home school and scored in the top 5% nationally on his final exams. After we kick this around some, maybe we can tackle some of the other statements.

[magprob]

Get rid of the Federal Department of Education.

Vote for Ron Paul!

[inthebox]

“Liberals have controlled education at the elementary, secondary and postsecondary level for decades. They own public education; they own the universities. If education in this country is failing, it's because liberalism is in charge of it.”
--Talk show host Rush Limbaugh




"The students are seated, the bell rings. As fast as you can say the Pledge of Allegiance without the "under God" part, the indoctrination begins. The government teacher steps in front of her virtual hostages and promptly delivers the first raw lesson in the power of government. The students are instructed to bring all of their precious school supplies – their property – to the front of the classroom and put them into a huge box. They are told that the supplies belong to all of the class now, and the teacher will assume the responsibility of distributing the supplies as they are needed.

"Whoaa! Hold on a minute here! These are my supplies. My daddy bought them for me. You can't have them! They're mine!"

Nope. Sorry! They were yours. Now all those supplies belong to – guess who? The government! "

- Neal Boortz

[magprob]

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[Dark_crow]

Get rid of the Federal Department of Education.

Vote for Ron Paul!

So, you want to eliminate student loans for college…some people would call that racist, others would call it aristocratic. Oh, that’s right; Ron Paul has been accused of that.:p

[magprob]

Yea DC, I want to eliminate student loans and I want to put an end to the Girl Scouts too. Them and their nasty little cookies.

[Allheart]

Yea DC, I want to eliminate student loans and I want to put an end to the Girl Scouts too. Them and their nasty little cookies.

LMBO - (laugh my butt off instead of a** - just came back from church :p )

Way too funny. If ANYONE needs any girl scout cookies.. plllllllease let me know, hubby can't say no to the little "darlings" when he passes them at the supermarket. As a result, I have so many boxes in this house, I am seriously thinking of putting a uniform on him, pasting little pontytails on the side of his head, and placing him on the street corner in hopes to resell these mounds of cookie boxes now taking up room on my kitchen counter!

[Galveston1]

So far, heads are nodding about the sorry condition of public education. The author states that students graduate ignorant about history. Correct. How so? What about the idea that this country was founded by Deists? Did that come from primary or secondary education? Where have so many younger people picked up the idea that this was founded a secular rather than a non-sectarian nation? (Read the prelude to the Constitution) When the schools teach situational ethics, why are we surprised when very smart children manipulate the internet to steal or vandilize? Having removed the foundation (God) from our culture, we see it crumbling before our eyes. Our crime rate continues to rise and jails and prisons are overcrowded, causing early release. Our children have not been given anything solid to build their lives on. They are an accident (probably) and life itself is an accident (no creator, no intellegent design) so why not do whatever feels good or whatever will gain money, prestige, etc. because when we are dead, we are forever dead. Laws can only punish the lawbreaker, they cannot prevent criminal acts, because every criminal thinks he/she is too smart to get caught. On the other hand, when children are taught that there is a higher power that they answer to, they are more likely to develop integrity, the reason to live above crime being within themselves. In short, they develop conscience, that inner voice that prompts toward correct action. Yes, public education is destroying our country.

[magprob]

Yes sir.

[Dark_crow]

Gal 1, when did the federal government get involved in education and why?

[NeedKarma]

So far, heads are nodding about the sorry condition of public education. The author states that students graduate ignorant about history. Correct. How so? What about the idea that this country was founded by Deists? Did that come from primary or secondary education? Where have so many younger people picked up the idea that this was founded a secular rather than a non-sectarian nation? (Read the prelude to the Constitution) When the schools teach situational ethics, why are we surprised when very smart children manipulate the internet to steal or vandilize? Having removed the foundation (God) from our culture, we see it crumbling before our eyes. Our crime rate continues to rise and jails and prisons are overcrowded, causing early release. Our children have not been given anything solid to build their lives on. They are an accident (probably) and life itself is an accident (no creator, no intellegent design) so why not do whatever feels good or whatever will gain money, prestige, etc. because when we are dead, we are forever dead. Laws can only punish the lawbreaker, they cannot prevent criminal acts, because every criminal thinks he/she is too smart to get caught. On the other hand, when children are taught that there is a higher power that they answer to, they are more likely to develop integrity, the reason to live above crime being within themselves. In short, they develop conscience, that inner voice that prompts toward correct action. Yes, public education is destroying our country.

Also remember that the US is not representative of the rest of the world.

[Galveston1]

Gal 1, when did the federal government get involved in education and why?

If I recall correctly, it was in the '70's, and I think the official reason was to promote integration. What's your point?

[Galveston1]

I know! Two in a row. Definitely hogging it, but I spent some time putting this together and am anxious to share it with you.

In the thread leadoff, the point is made that our children are not being properly taught. I totally agree. When all mention of God is removed from the student's education, then the foundation of our culture is taken away. Several of you have let it be known in no uncertain terms that you consider the Bible irrelevant, but read on. The Bible speaks to biology, anthropology, physics, and geology.

It also addresses the subject of public sanitation. There are still countries that could have much healthier populations if they would practice what the Bible prescribes on that subject.

Biology: When did scientists determine that the human body is composed of the very same elements that are found in dirt? How did Moses know that 4,000 years ago?
Gen 2:7
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
(KJV)
Anthropology: Science now knows that all humans are related by blood. Dr. Luke told us that 2,000 years ago.
Acts 17:26
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
(KJV)
Physics: How lately have scientists discovered that apparently solid materials are not really solid, but are made up of atoms, with all their sub-atomic parts? Once again, the Bible beat them to it.
Heb 11:3
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
(KJV
Geology: The Bible tells us when Earth's land mass was split up. (I assume excluding Australia and Antarctica as these do not seem to have been involved in the division).
Gen 10:25
25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.
(KJV)
Definition of the name “Peleg”
6389 Peleg (peh'-leg);
The same as 6388; earthquake; Peleg, a son of Shem:
KJV-- Peleg.
You will respond by saying that the continental drift is too slow for this time frame, but how can you prove that the rate of drift has not slowed dramatically in 4,000 years?

You should stop saying that intelligent design should not be taught in the science classroom.

[Dark_crow]

If I recall correctly, it was in the '70's, and I think the official reason was to promote integration. What's your point?

Actually it was about States Rights and Education. The Federal government had to nationalize the State National Guard in order to guarantee equality in education. I’m not really prepared to go back and revisit those times and especially teach children that there is a higher power that they answer to.

[Galveston1]

Actually it was about States Rights and Education. The Federal government had to nationalize the State National Guard in order to guarantee equality in education. I’m not really prepared to go back and revisit those times and especially teach children that there is a higher power that they answer to.

I have never agreed with the idea that the state is primarily responsible for the education of children. It is the parent's responsibility, and they have delegated it to the state. Now, the state takes the position that its rights in the matter are superior to that of the parents. That is more like socialism than liberty. If that takes it back to states rights arguments, then we got it wrong, and it is still wrong. Schools should be directly responsible to parents, even that has been usurped. Of course, that is the force driving the home school movement.