[jasondbel]

Acts of violence towards a child should be banned. Anyone ever anywhere gets hit they press charges and theother goes to jail. Except kids can't talk yet.. right

[Fiona92]

Do you think that spanking a child should be illegal?

YES Spanking a child should be illegal as no one has the right to lay heads on anyone.Their are people who have worked to prevent children being hit.And spanking should be no different as there is people who don't know their own strength and will go to far.Think about whem you were a kid would have like it if your mother or father spanked you did you like it I@m betting no you didn't so how do you think your child likes SPANKING SHOULD BE AGAINST THE LAW NO EXCEPTIONS.[

[NeedKarma]

same ones that want two mommies or two daddies as a good family I would assume.

Homophobia alert.

[Synnen]

All I know is that the government controls too much as it is.

If they add "how to parent" to what they control, how is that a good thing?

I would frankly RATHER have people being told who can and can not raise children rather than having someone tell them HOW to raise children. How is it really any better for a law to direct discipline than a law forbidding certain people from procreating in the first place?

Let's do it that way! Let's have people take a test, and if they pass, they can be parents! Have the test be actual situations that a parent is faced, with essay answers about how they'd respond to a situation, with a government agency and a panel of parents and law enforcement reading and rating the essays. If you have a child without passing the test, it is automatically taken away and given to parents who HAVE passed the test, but are unable to conceive.

Of course, one of the requirements, then, is that you HAVE to be married/civil partners in order to have kids, and divorce (with exceptions in the case of abuse) when you have kids is prohibited. Think of how scarring that is to the kids!

I mean--if you're starting with spankings telling people how to have a family, why not go all the way and decide who CAN have a family! Let's tell people who can and can't get married too!

Yes, I realize that hitting is bad---but making it illegal takes that form of punishment away from the parents of kids it actually works on. It's like making a certain food illegal because SOME people are allergic to it, or candles illegal because SOME people burn down their houses by having one. These are dangerous things! We shouldn't allow people to have dangerous things in their house! Someone might get hurt, or die, or be scarred for life from them! We should protect EVERYONE because it's not right that some people get hurt from everyday things that have been around for centuries! Let's make EVERYTHING that MIGHT hurt someone for life illegal! No more knives! No more cell phones (think of all the brain tumors!)! No more cars! No more alcohol!

Right now, those that do not believe in spanking and those that do, have a CHOICE in how to raise their own kids. Making it illegal takes away that choice--and if spanking is illegal, just about every other form of child discipline should be as well. I was more scarred by being grounded than I EVER was from a spanking. My sister says the punishment that she thought was the most unfair, and the most damaging to her (so that she resents it all these years later) was to have her allowance taken away as a punishment, or her things--she didn't feel the punishment fit her crime, and she was just being punished with that because my parents knew it hurt her--that they went out of there way to hurt her with it.

I guess it just comes down to the fact that I don't like the idea of the government telling me how to raise my kids.

[talaniman]

For sure, if you need the government to tell you how to raise your kids, then you don't need to be a parent.

[excon]

Hello again:

Just to make sure we're talking about the same stuff, here. Passing a law telling you that you can't hit your kids is unwarranted government intrusion into your private life. But, a similar law telling you can't hit adults, isn't.

Why is that? If you want to argue that children are chattel (owned by their parents), then we can have that discussion. But, as long as they're not, in my view, they have the same right not to be hit that adults do.

excon

[EIFS EXPERT]

No. The government is not feeding my kids so they should butt out.

Child abuse on the other hand is different and folks that beat their children because they can't communicate should be charged with assault.

[jasondbel]

Actually it's the government as to why you discipline your kids in the first place. They created the laws and rules that governs the land. So as a parent you are to enforce these laws so you won't be in trouble as a parent. Its your on the line. First you will be punished then the state interveens and will take custody. So as a parent your back is up against the wall as to how to enforce these rules. So to save face and embarrassment on your behalf you reach down and woop the child. Circumstances such as running into a street or getting electricuted that is parental neglect. If you were watching your child and are paying attention the child would not have run into the street or stuck his finger in the socket. When you were in school you had to learn things repetitivly. You didn't automatically know the answer. Through time you learned. Same with a child if you tell the toddler to not go into the street but they continue on because they don't know its through time that they learn about cars and outside. So what everyone is saying is if we as adults are studying for a test and we miss the answer although we said in our brain a hundred times each mess up we should hit but on the only. Wait, we are adults so we should be hit in the face only. If you don't know how to handle your humility on the governments laws or you don't know or have the means to wholeheartadly have a child then you have no business creating one. Seems to me like people don't hit adults because an adult will swing back at you maybe even kill you so they made it a law. You go your entire life not hitting an adult because most of you are scared of the outcome. Go ahead keep a violent act fresh in a child's mind it will make the world a better place. Your hummility will be spared and your blood child will fear you. Just take a look outside that's probably because most of the people on this sight agree with spanking. If you are all real men and not "sissys" try to never put your hand on a child. That to me would be your true test of a man. Better yet come hit me. And the law arrests people and puts them in jail they don't go around hitting someone. Time out and being grounded are more along the lines of institutionalized not hitting.

[Synnen]

Passing a law saying you can not DISCIPLINE your kids the way you choose, so long as it is not abuse, is unwarranted government intrusion.

Are you telling me that kids old enough to talk aren't already reporting their parents to CPS for abuse when it was only discipline, to get back at their parents?

You can take ANY punishment too far. Imprisoning an adult against their will is illegal too--so shouldn't time-out be illegal as well then? Or grounding? Taking away an adult's things is called "theft"--why should it be allowed for children, then? Yelling at an adult can get you charged with harrassment--shouldn't THAT be illegal to do to your kids too, then?

If children have the same rights as adults, since they are not chattel---then NO punishment should be legal. After all--doing to an adult ANY of the disciplinary actions you'd do to a child is illegal.

[jasondbel]

If I saw someone hit their kid I would embarrass you in front of your own child but then again according to one, you won't hit them in public only behind closed doors.

[talaniman]

If you are all real men and not "sissys" try to never put your hand on a child. That to me would be your true test of a man. Better yet come hit me. And the law arrests people and puts them in jail they don't go around hitting someone. Time out and being grounded are more along the lines of institutionalized not hitting.

You can argue all you want, but the proof is in the doing, not the talking, and since I have raised 5 kids under my roof, and they are well balanced, and productive citizens, I think I qualify to tell any one here that my methods HAVE worked. And yes after a fair warning, a smack on the hands or bottom, is not abuse, nor is it cruel. Until you have the proof to back up what your saying, leave the raising of children to us REAL MEN! If you need advice on how to raise kids, would you rather trust me, or your government?? Any questions?

[talaniman]

If i saw someone hit their kid i would embarass you in front of your own child but then again according to one, you wont hit them in public only behind closed doors.

Your kidding right? Either that or you don't have a clue.

[jasondbel]

It's the government why you discipline in the first place. If it was up to me I would let my child run around naked in the forrest with animals and pee on trees. That's what nature intentended. No toddler wants to wear clothes. First of all its stripping away their innocense but the law says everyone has to wear closthes no peeing in public. From the minute they are born every single word out of our mouthes are NO. Shouldn't that be enough punishment must we beat them too? Whipping boy done wrong deprived of all his youth. They are being what nature intended but we have to tell them NO. You are in denial if you don't think the government s already in charge. With all the BS in this world they will have to face as a human being why should their own parents inflict NO and then pain plus pain from the world because they broke away from you and ran into the street? Parents love and hopefully instill values not teach violence. You are embarrassed because your child broke a "rule" your blood rises and your hand swings down. That is clearly not being a good parent and just teaching discipline. The is an emotional upheaval on the parents part correlated with a violent gesture. Whether you hit hard or soft it still represents a angry act. You hit your kids those who do and ill continue to teach my child the use of boxing gloves heavy bags martial arts sports good eating from the moment his eyes opened that's what he knows. He will clean his own mess in the kitchen pick his toys up and is already potty trained. He will lay a combo on you so fast at two. I never once hit him. I stayed on it. So when your child mimicks you as his parent and goes to hit my child and my child beats him down in self defense then you can come to my house and we can handle it as adults. I won't call the law if you hit me I promise.

[jasondbel]

Well maybe I won't do anything about it that's their child but my child will be prepared for kids that are hit and decided to bring that back into the classroom.

[Synnen]

Oh, I'm so scared of you, honey.

I hope your child doesn't emulate your grammar and punctuation, too.

I thought I made clear earlier that the difference between discipline and abuse is that discipline is done with a cool head, for the sake of the child, not with a temper for the sake of your own pride.

Those parents that won't discipline their kids? THEY are the ones I embarrass in public. I HATE going someplace public and listening to someone's kid scream because the parent can't discipline them in public for fear of someone like you calling CPS, regardless what the punishment actually is.

I'll teach my kids that feelings are valid, but that *I* am the adult--not them.

I never feared my parents. I was TALKED to before every spanking I got, explaining exactly why I was getting it, and told that the same thing would happen if I repeated the actions that got me the spanking in the first place. Guess what? I didn't repeat those actions!

I'm not going to hit you because your kid hits mine---I'll slap an assault charge against your kid. I never got in schoolyard fights, and the only kids I ever hit were my own brother and sister--which I think is pretty much standard for most people; hitting and shouting at your siblings happens, and I would call anyone who says they never fought with their siblings either an only child or a liar.

You said that you would discipline your child your way, and I could discipline my child my way--great! That is EXACTLY what I said to begin with! That's WHY spanking should not be illegal to begin with!

[jasondbel]

I said my child will be prepared in case one of your kids who you hit decides to to bring that behavior to the school yard. Sorry my life doesn't revolve on a computer. I have always been in the field working hard for my money. I make as much money as some people who have been on computers since they were invented.
My kid loves public perfect manners. Explain that? If everyone wants to call ocs then obviously there are ways around hitting a child. My god do these kids really make you people this strung out that you have to hit them? Let me take you to some places where there really is a need for violent discipline then see if a kid really conjures up a feeling to where you have to hit them. When a toddler becomes a toddler they are playing aorund with your authority because they love you and feel safe around you. They don't do that with other people you drop them off with. So you hit them. Great. Good for you. Slap the joy clean out their mouth. You should be proud.

[jasondbel]

Its all you idiots on here. The thought of hitting a child bugs the cr@p out of me when I look at my son. Your kids are productive citizens in YOUR eyes I suppose. You relax pal before my boot goes up your you know what... When are you people going to take a stand and stop promoting the violence in this world? It starts at home with your offspring a@@wipe. Now your kids are going to spank there kids and so on. And those kids are going to show up at school and hit then those kids are going to hit and someone is going to get hurt. You can't find another way to discipline without hitting smane on you people. You chill out buddy. Don't tell me to chill out pal. This is america jack 2008. Ill voice my opinion when I want where I want. Id like to put on some boxing gloves with you boy and go round for round.

[talaniman]

Someone needs a time out. Or a spanking!!

[talaniman]

Just curious as to why those against spanking equate a tap on the hands to child abuse, when most of us who do spank, think restraint, is the key to corporal punishment. Also how do you let a child know that he shouldn't touch a electrical socket, when they are not able to understand language yet? Somebody just tell me the methods you would use.

[excon]

how do you let a child know that he shouldn't touch a electrical socket, when they are not able to understand language yet? Somebody just tell me the methods you would use.

Hello tal:

I just babyproof my home and then it's not an issue. Then baby can just explore away without fear of getting hurt.

I don't mean to be flippant. Certainly, you can't babyproof the world. But, if you're a PRO-active parent, which is what babyproofing is, I believe you can avoid being RE-active, which is what spanking is.

excon