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    Jan 19, 2008, 01:05 PM
    Is fellatio a form of abstinence?
    Is it currently taught or implied that it is in sex education? Should it be?
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    Jan 19, 2008, 01:36 PM
    Fellatio is a form of birth control, not abstinence. :D

    I don't think it is taught as abstinence considering the outrage the right wing moral police had over Bill Clinton's acts with Monica Lewinsky.

    It is interesting to note that the statistics are out (as of a month or so ago) concerning the results of teaching abstinence to teenagers and any effect on their pregnancy rate. You guessed it, no effect. Teaching abstinence does not lower the rate of teen age pregnancies.
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    Jan 19, 2008, 01:46 PM
    Hi Choux, but wasn't Clinton acquitted of the charge of having sex by the general public, leaving me to believe that the general public does not consider Fellatio an act of sex?
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    Jan 19, 2008, 01:50 PM
    Let a 30 year old do it with a 14 year old and find out how fast they are convicted of sex with a minor

    And to be honest it really does not matter what the general public think, they are often wrong, Ask any wife if she would think that is sex if her husband was doing it with another women?

    No Clinton was not forgiven, just no one really cared what he did and more thought he was just stupid for lying about it to start with.
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    Jan 19, 2008, 01:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_crow
    Hi Choux, but wasn't Clinton acquitted of the charge of having sex by the general public, leaving me to believe that the general public does not consider Fellatio an act of sex?
    Acquitted? No. The public knew Clinton was a bone-headed, womanizing lier. The mainstream press always provided cover for their boy, saying it was 'private' and 'let Hillary handle this', and blah, blah, blah. The American public is not as cynical as you may think.

    You asked: "Is fellatio a form of abstinence?" You have that smiley face by your question, I've noticed.
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    Jan 19, 2008, 02:10 PM
    Last night in an interview Hillary Clinton said: "I never doubted Bill's love for me, ever, and I never doubted my faith and my commitment to our daughter and our extended family.
    (EDIT: It appears that she does not associate Fellatio with love.)
    Clinton also said she was asked by other women "all the time" about what to do with unfaithful husbands.

    "'I don't know your reality. I cannot possibly substitute my judgment for yours, but what I can tell you is you must be true to yourself, you have to do what is right for you.'"

    Despite what anyone says Clinton left office with approval ratings of around 65 percent, not shabby.
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    Jan 19, 2008, 02:20 PM
    I think to many it was funny to watch it. Heck maybe Bush should have an affair or two and raise his rating.

    Now you want abstinence, imagine Bill and Hillary in the Oval office doing it, sort of enough to cause abstinence.
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    Jan 19, 2008, 02:21 PM
    The numbers can speak for themselves; however, no one, not even Hillary trusts him; and he did not have enough support to elect Al Gore, thankfully.
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    Jan 19, 2008, 02:23 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
    I think to many it was funny to watch it. Heck maybe Bush should have an affair or two and raise his rating.

    Now you want abstinence, imagine Bill and Hillary in the Oval office doing it, sorta enough to cause abstinence.
    :p Falling out of my chair
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    Jan 19, 2008, 02:31 PM
    It is not an impeachable offense to have fellatio with a "girlfriend", that I know of, Crow. Why, some previous Presidents had mistresses and "professional" women in the White House and engaged in all kinds of sex acts we will never know about!

    I don't think that a majority of Americans want to know about the sex life of a president, but they do think fellatio is an act of sex. The specific case of Clinton... well, I think it was a case of most Americans being turned off by the religious right and their sanctimony and hypocrisy. Why, we have had closeted homosexual Republican Congress Members... none were attacked by the religious right... and, Foley of Florida wrote sex notes to **underage pages**!
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    Jan 19, 2008, 02:32 PM
    After viewing the findings of a study performed at North Carolina State University this is what another Dr. had to say.

    "I think it removes the last shade of doubt that fellatio is actually a healthy act," said Dr. A.J. Kramer of Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, who was not involved in the research. "I am surprised by these findings,-…”
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    Jan 19, 2008, 02:43 PM
    But Choux, given that ‘teen birth rate’ seems to be the issue behind sex education as opposed to the morality aspect doesn’t encouraging Fellatio sound like a plausible suggestion for cutting down all those births and abortions?
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    Jan 19, 2008, 06:20 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
    I think to many it was funny to watch it. Heck maybe Bush should have an affair or two and raise his rating.

    Now you want abstinence, imagine Bill and Hillary in the Oval office doing it, sorta enough to cause abstinence.
    My God my cheeks hurt!! Where is my heart medicine!!
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    Jan 20, 2008, 04:33 AM
    Based on the culture of Washington I would say that it should not be taught in sex education classes because it really isn't sex . That at least is the prevailing opinion post-Clintoon. Evidently you can perform the act and remain "technically a virgin" .USATODAY.com - 'Technical virginity' becomes part of teens' equation

    But I am not willing to blame him solely for that attitude ;just for making it mainstream thought. Indeed he is the most famous of the pols who have made the hair-spltting distinction ,but he is hardly alone.

    Chuck Robb ,that wild and crazy Guv from Va. Made a public statement that he had "done anything that I regard as unfaithful to my wife" when he was caught. According to Wikipedia In 1991, Robb admitted to being with former Miss Virginia USA Tai Collins alone in a hotel room ;but he denied having an affair with her while admitting to sharing a bottle of champagne and receiving a nude massage.

    Nancy Reagan had a reputation in Hollywood of being a practitioner before she and Reagan wed .

    Newt Gingrich's former mistress Anne Manning claimed that he preferred oral sex because he could make the truthful claim that he had never slept with her .

    Former DC Mayor Marion Barry got a bj in a prison visiting room (while the room was full of other prisoners , visitors,and a guard ) while he was serving time for crack possession.

    Lest we forget ; another Presidency was actually brought down by "Deep Throat".
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    Jan 20, 2008, 07:45 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_crow
    Is it currently taught or implied that it is in sex education? Should it be?
    Hello DC:

    Don't screw your boyfriend, just blow him. Huh?? You think THAT'S what's being taught??

    Are you out of your mind?? You really are dingy. That goes for the rest of you sexually repressed people out there too!

    excon
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    Jan 20, 2008, 08:45 AM
    Hay Excon, I uesta have an Aunt Ninny that couldn’t tell a question from an answer too but she finally drove off a cliff.:D
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    Jan 20, 2008, 08:48 AM
    Hello again, DC:

    It's true. I can't tell what you're saying most of the time. You're just waaay too smart for me.

    excon
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    Jan 20, 2008, 09:10 AM
    Hay excon, that's a polite way of calling me a smarta*s:p
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    Jan 21, 2008, 08:37 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon
    Hello DC:

    Don't screw your boyfriend, just blow him. Huh?? You think THAT'S what's being taught??

    Are you out of your mind?? You really are dingy. That goes for the rest of you sexually repressed people out there too!
    Ex, actually what's being taught by Planned Parenthood is basically if it's abstinence to you then it's abstinence.

    No matter how you personally define losing your virginity, you still have to think about protecting yourself from sexually transmitted infections (STIs).
    Clearly, the definition of virginity leaves lots of room for interpretation!
    Different people define virginity in different ways... No matter how teens define virginity, it's important to remember that having sex — or any kind of sex play — is a big decision that deserves a lot of thought.
    From "Foreplay 411: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Not Doing It"

    But when it came to sex, Jen was worried. If they had intercourse, she could contract a sexually transmitted infection (STI) or get pregnant. Besides, she didn't feel ready to go all the way. Was it possible to get sexy ... without having sex?

    Yes. There are many types of "sex play" — sexual activity, with or without a partner — that don't involve intercourse, which is why some people call it outercourse. Outercourse works whether you're a teenager or a senior citizen, single or partnered, or straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, or questioning...

    Generally, "outercourse" means sex play without vaginal intercourse. Depending on personal preference, it can involve kissing, massage, masturbation, "frottage" (rubbing bodies together), sharing fantasies — including cybersex and phone sex, anal sex play (exploring one another's anus/rectum with hands, mouths), and oral sex play (touching one another's genitals with mouths).
    Yes, that's what's being taught. It isn't "sex," it's "sex play."
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    Jan 21, 2008, 08:43 AM
    My, you are a repressed bunch! :D

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