[NowWhat]

If it was about gay civil unions (no church involved) do you think the answers would be different?

Yes! I, for example, have stated that if you want to call it a civil union - go right ahead. And that I am against gay marriages So I think the answers would be different.

[ordinaryguy]

Its not natural, I have truly been biting my tongue here. I have posted my stance earlier. I feel this thread has gone all over the place and is never ending. This thread was about gay marriage and nothing else.

Joe

Whatever you mean by "natural" and whether you think homosexuality is or isn't such, the point is that homosexuality is no longer illegal. People who commit homosexual acts are not breaking the law. So there is no legal basis for denying them the right that the rest of us have to enter into binding and enforceable legal contracts to protect their property and family rights. If it makes you feel better to use a different word to refer to their contracts, I doubt that most of them would care, as long as the legal effect is the same.

[Dark_crow]

Gay animals out of the closet? - LiveScience - MSNBC.com

AWW MAN based on the above link over 1500 species of animals are going to hell :( They have been known to have sexual relationships...

"Homosexuality has been observed in more than 1,500 species, and the phenomenon has been well described for 500 of them."

I'd understand homosexuality being a choice if it was just humans, but sorry animals dont choose if they are gay... Try to explain that....

SIDENOTE: And instead of some quote from the bible that has nothing to do with animals or homosexuality, actually find a quote that has to do it with, anyone can twist words.

Yes it’s true, some people do still live like an ANIMAL, but rational people don’t. What you are talking about is animal lust for SEX. If marriage between the same sexes were natural it would be natural to have offspring. The male hole used between two men is for another reason... excrement.:)

[Leidenschaftlich für Wahr]

Those animals go to animal hell then... Least thats what the bible says in a sense.

Not really, actually it says animals don't have a soul, which differenciates them from the humans.

[Leidenschaftlich für Wahr]

If it was about gay civil unions (no church involved) do you think the answers would be different?

Not mine. The fact that ministry is obligated to carry out the ceremony is just another reason not to legalize it, but that its wrong, and our country having been founded on the Word of God should not condone it.

[Wondergirl]

Not mine. The fact that ministry is obligated to carry out the cerimony is just another reason not to legalize it, but the fact of the matter is that its wrong, and our country having been founded on the Word of God should not condone it.

It's your interpretation of the Scriptures that it's wrong. And our country was not founded on the Word of God.

Yes, I'm a lifelong Christian.

[NeedKarma]

and our country having been founded on the Word of God should not condone it.

That's so very incorrect.

[ordinaryguy]

If marriage between the same sexes were natural it would be natural to have offspring. The male hole used between two men is for another reason...excrement.:)

It's not about biology or reproduction, it's about equal protection under the law--a constitutional guarantee of citizenship.

[Dark_crow]

It's not about biology or reproduction, it's about equal protection under the law--a constitutional guarantee of citizenship.

It’s not about rights at all; there is no natural Right for two men to slosh around in each others excrement for their individual pleasure, it’s filthy and a crime against humanity and therefore it is not a right that ought to be granted by government.

[NeedKarma]

It’s not about rights at all; there is no natural Right for two men to slosh around in each others excrement for their individual pleasure, it’s filthy and a crime against humanity and therefore it is not a right that ought to be granted by government.

You seem to be fixated on anal sex. Are you not aware that many good christian couples engage in anal sex as well?

[Dark_crow]

You seem to be fixated on anal sex. Are you not aware that many good christian couples engage in anal sex as well?

I fix on it because we should explain it for what it is, not in the benign term of 'homosexual' 'or 'same sex marriage.' I fix on it because that is exactly the filthy act it represents.

I don't believe most Christians would agree that “Good Christians” engage in sloshing around in excrement.

[excon]

It’s not about rights at all

Hello DC:

I agree, it's not about filthy sex. But, as long as the government grants RIGHTS to the "married" amongst us, and then refuses to let some people get "married", then this argument IS about rights. IF the government would take away the rights of the married people, then I wouldn't care if those filthy sex deviant's ever got married.

excon

[NeedKarma]

I don’t believe most Christians would agree that “Good Christians” engage in sloshing around in excrement.

Then you would believe wrongly. You have no idea of the amount of hypocrisy that exists out there.

[Dark_crow]

Hello DC:

I agree, it's not about filthy sex. But, as long as the government grants RIGHTS to the "married" amongst us, and then refuses to let some people get "married", then this argument IS about rights. IF the government would take away the rights of the married people, then I wouldn't care if those filthy sex deviant's ever got married.

excon

Hay EXCON
Rights are something that is guaranteed under the constitution, you appear to be confusing them with law. Laws can be written and rescinded, rights cannot. Therefore Marriage is not a right but rather a law. :)

[Dark_crow]

Then you would believe wrongly. You have no idea of the amount of hypocrisy that exists out there.

You’re right, I haven’t been peeking into people’s bedrooms, but then I doubt that you have been either. So how is you can KNOW.:)

[NeedKarma]

You’re right, I haven’t been peeking into people’s bedrooms, but then I doubt that you have been either. So how is you can KNOW.:)

How about you tell us what sex play you and the wife do that is condoned by the bible.

[ordinaryguy]

It’s not about rights at all; there is no natural Right for two men to slosh around in each others excrement for their individual pleasure, it’s filthy and a crime against humanity and therefore it is not a right that ought to be granted by government.

You're fighting the last war--the one over whether sodomy laws are constitutional. That war is over, and your side lost, sorry.

THIS debate is about whether citizens who are not lawbreakers can be denied the right that other citizens have to enter into binding legal contracts that protect their property and family rights, solely on the basis of their private, and now legal, sexual behavior.

[Dark_crow]

What's the Bible have to do with it? That feces is not something to play in was taught to me by my mother.

[NeedKarma]

What's the Bible have to do with it? That feces is not something to play in was taught to me by my mother.

Ok, what sex play does your mom say is OK.

[excon]

Rights are something that is guaranteed under the constitution, you appear to be confusing them with law. Laws can be written and rescinded, rights cannot. Therefore Marriage is not a right but rather a law. :)

Hello again, DC:

No argument there. It's a law all right.

However, if you read the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, you would find that it guarantees citizens EQUAL protection under the law.

To me, that means you can't make a law that confers rights upon one group, and excludes another. Like ALL Constitutional rights, this one is clear as a bell.

excon