[drbill212]

Woodall- I do not know how to rely to your private message. You may call me to find out about the event or email me at [email protected] b

[drbill212]

I attended Al Abidin's kuta event in California. It was a valuable experience. I then held a seminar in Louisiana for the Isshinryu Karate Association Master's Meeting. Each event had about 10 participants. There is no doubt in anyones's mind as to the power of the kuta strike. There is no magical instant self-defense and everything takes time and practice, but kuta can be learned faster than anything known at this point. I would doubt that a person with no training and no natural fighting ability could learn kuta in a weekend and be able to use it. I t takes time to get this into your physiology. It has great value and can be used with other fighting methods- it will supercharge karate , for instance. I am in Detroit and will gladly talk to anyone about this and demonstate for you. I am not as athletic as Al or Jack and am a lot older, but it would be unlikely that anyone my age could do what I can do. I am the oldest known active practitioner of kuta and the oldest known student of Dok Lee ( not his real name and hikuta is not the name of the art as I learned it). I am scheduled to teach a seminar for the Isshinryu Karate Master's Group in Michigan in January. At this point I restrict my teaching to masters of isshinryu with some exceptions. I will train disabled persons for free . I will train anyone over 60 and women 16 and older. I am not sure what to make of woodall, he seems to have known lee, but uses the term hikuta, so he is a contradiction. I can tell you all that Al Abidin is an honorable person who is dedicated to growing kuta, which I am. If you go to Al's website, you will see instructors in your area. I highly recommend Perry Blouin as well (don't let him hit you, please) Dr. Bill Pogue 248 765 6202

[eawoodall]

to sum up:

if I call it something else, will anyone know what I mean? Or to misquote the bard would it smell as sweet? As I continue to say, I am not here to verify anything I say. I say it, and you believe it or not. Faith is all you have to take my word for anything.

true I did not have the money available to go to the AL event, and I wanted to originally go, but eventually I decided I don't want to become a student of AL, or his students. I was never a student of Dok Lee, but I after years of training with other instructors, I happened to met Lee and defeat him. Obviously Lee thought I was new to whatever you choose to call this martial art, since he only knew about me being exposed to it for a 7 day period, when I happened to win that day. Dok Lee thought I and only I was worthy of the title DOK, but that is probably because he thought I was new at it, and yet beat him.

I try to not be a contradiction, but I also try to not prove anything. I know free will and this is askmehelpdesk and I can volunteer any info I want, and leave out the other details, or information I want to restrict.

My life is private, and I appreciate you doubting me, dr. bill and go on testing things to see if they are real or not, be sure in what you believe, and in who you trust, because it is safer to know in whom you trust.

the lesson for the rest of you is to be sure those you choose as teachers have to teach what you want to learn. Although it would be fun I doubt there is much point in meeting with dr. bill or Al or others because I am not someone who finds togetherness in martial arts needed or even wanted at times. Sameness will not always be the best way. I am glad you had fun, and things went well. My hope is that shared burdens are eased burdens.
eawoodall

I guess one of the reasons I think that togetherness in martial arts is not always the best way is because people do have different strengths and weaknesses, and additional abilities or aptitudes in certain areas can cause personal strengths that others who might train with them do not have, and it would be a mistake as an instructor to teach techniques that YOU can do well, and do marvelous things with, but your students can not do.

when teaching it is what the students can learn to do well that should be taught, not your personal favorites, not what you do well.

of course I do not have any students right now, and although I offered to teach recently, none choose to take me up on that offer, so I have not taught anyone substantially in over 20 years. And it is probably for the best, because I am just one man, and even bruce lee choose to close his schools.

[nymphetamine]

Hello. Ive never heard of Kuta before. How old do you think someone should start in that or any other self defense? Im wondering about is 5 or 6 years old maybe old enough. Everyone seems to have different opinions on that but I think you would know better.

[Fr_Chuck]

I will somewhat agree

All of the people I have dealt with in Martial Arts are very proud of who their teaches are ( unless of course their teaches are not someone to be proud of) and they enjoy discussing their school and so on.

I assume this "air" of mystery makes it all sound more appealing to the novice and may make a good book to TV story.

Please remember in the end, martial arts training is that of body, mind and soul. One is not taught to do harm to anyone but to protect the peace of life and the inner peace of the person. Yes great violence can be done with the art, but the training includes the training to avoid having to use it also.

[eawoodall]

Most very young children are not ready to start martial arts.

Martial arts takes a serious mind (to duplicate or learn what one experiences)

Martial arts takes a proper attitude (not to use to harm others)

Development or progression takes even more dedication, and is not common in the young.

But many great martial artists have started younger, even in sports when the persons starts at a younger age they are ahead of the game. So although I started very early that does not mean everyone should, or that it is too late for those who start much later to begin.

One of the big problems some have when starting young is the development of the body, and the need to be extra careful because of the needs of proper growth. Do not massively overwork the muscles of children, or cause damage that will continue the rest of their life. Joints and tendons must be treated properly. Children can understate injury, and must be observed for a fine line between dedication and obsession even while hurt severely can be crossed too easily.

But a no pressure, ease of teaching system can develop some skills, and a proper attitude toward the use of martial arts, and some light exercise to slowly train small bodies in physical activities, and use of some of their extra energy can be a form of recess or group activity to get the students moving.

Not everyone has to progress at the same pace, or seriousness.

The "air" of mystery is not a story plot, but simply me saving more for later, not revealing all as it were. Some people are amazed at different things.

[nymphetamine]

I appreciate your answer. I definitely will wait until they are ready and can show me they understand. Thank you. :)

[kaia]

What is the principle of kuta?
Where can I learn the princips if none here can tell?
:confused:

[eawoodall]

Dok Lee was known for saying quote, "knowledge replaces fear",and "movement causes movement".

Then again perhaps if you started the children on (in this order):
* situational awareness (to not look like a victim)
* moves to get away (to not be held or trapped)
* lower levels of force techniques (to move but not break)
And explain that the less force (needed) in any situation the better.
Since at least the first two may be needed once they get to school perhaps you should teach the five year olds those basics at least?

In physics when objects move, and interact there are certain ways of understanding, we use these physics concepts to quantify how it happens.
Please do a search for hikuta using the search at the top of the page here, and you will see "martial arts and physics?", also answered by me, that series of posts should explain more.

[kaia]

So I can just start learning Hikuta by reading this post from beginning to end??
I don't think so...
I can't get a teacher, can't buy any books. Have to read on the web.
I need a tutorial. I have found tutorials for all other skills but Hikuta.
I have heard that you need a teacher, but I have learn a lot without.
Where to start?
Where can I find the ultimate "To learn this, first do this and that...etc"?

[eawoodall]

I didn't say you could learn hikuta by reading the whole post. Perhaps many questions you have about hikuta could be answered by reading the whole post, but some people have deleted their accounts or changed the question so sometimes the questions that I am answering in the post are no longer there, so it can be confusing.

Remember hikuta is not the only martial art,and they all have their place.
Many skills that can be used do not have to be fighting techniques per se.

First like my last answer, start where a five year old would start:

Become situationally aware (to not look like a victim), pay attention to what is happening around you, and allow others to see that you know what is happening, perhaps they might bother someone who is not paying attention.
Watching for strangers.

Learn moves to get away (to not be held or trapped), even dance teaches how to move, and some dance moves can be used to avoid certain holds or traps, as well as getting out of the way of a charge.

Learn lower levels of force techniques (to move but not break), pushing away from someone. Does not partner roller skating teach push offs?

Learn that the less force (or deadly force needed) in any situation the better.
Study local laws and be careful to obey. Do not get yourself in trouble.

To learn you first must be ready to begin learning, and patience can be useful in any area of study, because quick study does not always mean good study.
How long you retain knowledge varies with amount of emotion, methods used to learn, methods used to remember. Multiple learning techniques are often best but life is not all about learning at a rapid pace, so sometimes refamiliarization with material can be fun and profitable. Write a poem about it, view it as a student would by writing a lesson plan on how to teach it, etc.
Willingness to learn, and a proper learning environment, where you can focus on what you need to learn without distraction, often help.

If you get a paper route, or sell some items on eBay, or save up money from lunch money you don't spend, or whatever eventually you may be able to afford something that you can hold in your hands, and study without being online.

[kaia]

If you have read the history on the www.hikuta.net page, you have read that DOK lee trained some police woman for 20 min. They learned something, I don't know what, but that was not to move away, or low level moves. It must have been something else. A technique or some basic stuff. How to get that speed and power.
"Learn in 20 min" I have read. I have been looking for a"How to do it" document for hours and days. I have not found anything yet. Don't tell me to learn dancing, or to move away. How to get the power and speed? My question...
DOK lee used great power and speed in his "blows". How? If it just was basic karte punch training that gave him the power, then tell me so, but I don't think it was so.

[eawoodall]

Learning how to move naturally can be very quick. Because you should already know how to do it, you just do not know that you know how to do it.

Can you pull your hand off a hot stove? Then you can do hikuta.
Reverse the movement type. Reduce your 'moment arm' (reduce how much torque it requires to move). Use more momentum (mass times velocity).
Counter the separation force (impulse function) so that you stay in contact longer than normal to impart more force into the target. These are things you do in hikuta. It is difficult at best to explain over the internet what can be shown in person in a few seconds. By reading the whole posts you can learn what the physics terms I have used follow or how they are defined.

To review:
1.
Pulling your hand off a hot stove, good idea.
Reversing the movement so you can move that fast all the time, better idea.

2.
Reduce your 'moment arm' so for the same torque you do a multiplication of your old effort. Good idea.
Reduce your 'moment arm' ,and use more torque ("hot stove movement") so that you do a multiplication times multiplication of your old effect. Better idea.

3.
Use more mass (not just hand but entire body weight) to hit with. Good idea.
Use more mass times more acceleration (force) to hit with. Better idea.

4. not hitting anything hard enough to hurt yourself. Good idea.
Transfer the "strike" into the object struck so that you cannot be hurt because the separation force (impulse function) is countered by movement of an opposing direction such that no part of the "strike" remains in you (because you are in contact with the target long enough to impart) ALL of it into the target. Better idea.

More explaining :
#1 when the body has a certain amount of muscle tension, it can move at maximum speed, the trained know how to get to that tension peak. Your body can do it anytime it needs to do so. Most people move much faster when pulling their hand off a hot stove. Do not practice with a hot stove. Instead learn how fast you move with different amounts of muscle tension.

#2 ever see an ice skater start a spin? They have as much effort in that spin as they are ever going to have, then they bring in their arms, this reduces the 'moment arm' they suddenly spin many times faster, a multiplication of effect for the same effort.

#3 put your body weight into your effort, do not hit with just your hand, rotate you hips, shoulders, move feet, twist waist, lean, move toward your target, as you go from "no movement" to "finish of the strike". You entire body weighs 20-50 times what just your hand does? So you will hit with that much multiplied effect.

#4 do not lose contact too soon when you strike something to do so leaves a part of your effort still in you. Movement can be used to cause movement or to counter movement (by using different movement vectors), and when you strike something there is a separation force that when countered allows you to not be separated as quickly from the impact.

All of your effort combined, i.e. #1, #2, #3, #4 will multiply together to be even greater than any part would be alone. That is how I break trees.

I hope that this has helped.

[kaia]

Thank you so much! :)
That was just what I was looking for.

[eawoodall]

Hikuta Art of Controlled Violence by Dok Lee (vhs only, book not included)
eBay item number: 7207306797

On auction now on eBay!

This item is by dok lee who taught many of the people who teach hikuta now.
(I did not study with dok lee, but many did).

I am not associated with this auction , just wanted to help people if they want some more training information.

[kaia]

Is there a verision of that book on the web, free?
I think its sad that people can't learn without pay...
Information should be free!

[drbill212]

I will provide copies of Lees' book or tape . They are of very limited value, but worth a look. I provide hands on training as do others . I provide my own cd to those who train with me. Al's tapes are good and jack's tapes are useful. I repeat- there is NO PROOF of anyone training before Lee. No one has offered any proof whatsoever of training with him , before him or with anyone else except him before 1969. Actually no one has provided proof of training with him between me(1969) and Al (1990's) either, although there must be some. The word hikuta and the term DOK are pretty much made up by Lee to sell books and tapes. The system has no name and the unique punch is called the kuta punch, so Lee (his nick name) called the system kuta. I trained with him when he lived on Courville in Detroit and still have the map he drew me on the back of my business card and my hand-written notes and diagrams . I will train interested parties under certain conditions. Dr. Bill Pogue 248 765 6202

[drbill212]

Nothing's free- no free lunch, nothing. Get over it. I will give you one lesson free so you don't think the whole world is for sale

[eawoodall]

I respectfully disagree with dr. bill, I believe there is proof of others training before dok lee.
But I do not have permission to give out such proof, you have only my word to trust or not.

I believe dok lee's book and video are great! They are great resources, you can learn a lot by studying dok lee's book and video! I first got ahold of them over 18 years after I saw dok lee in person. And I enjoyed reviewing them, and dok lee does show people hikuta.

First I have heard Dr. bill trains anyone. Certainly dr. bill has the right to train people. He did study with dok lee, and is one of dok lee's oldest living students.

I have said before:
I trained before dr. bill did, but I was trained by others, not dok lee.

My teacher learned hikuta before even the teacher of dok lee learned hikuta, and it was years before that my teacher's master learned it.

I am not training anyone. I have no interest in training anyone. I get no money from such things, I have no videos, or books , or other resources , nor do I want to make any money to train anyone. I am happy that AL, or his student savage, or dr. bill train people, but I am not interested in that.

I have heard in japanese martial arts that the highest master never trains anyone, but lets lessor students teach. I see the beauty in that.

Have a nice day. Be safe.

[drbill212]

Proof is proof- I hate to see kuta die out, but I only train special people as I said before, I have $5000 for anyone who can PROVE they learned kuta before me. I am pushing 60 and no one can show me anything better than kuta- I have been all over the world and no one in the orient is able to show anything better that is learnable within a year. There are great masters of everything, and most of them are better than me -- but they are just that MASTERS-- and even they have had a hard time with kuta. Some of those russian systema guys are phenomenal, but they are world-class masters and they have a tough time responding to the kuta hand. But everyone is willing to put up or shut up- they demonstrate and prove what they can do. Dr. Proved-it