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    Oct 19, 2007, 09:39 AM
    DC my father was a rational man and a Navy Intel officer . 1963 was indeed a crisis and we were on the brink . One false step would 've set the spark off. Ironically Turkey was front and center back then also.

    David Schuster is a completely discredited hack except as an Inspector Clouseau character for Chris Mathews.
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    Oct 19, 2007, 10:04 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx
    DC, I didn't realize there was a "bleak" mood in America, but I'll admit a good deal of contempt for our leadership - and as Zogby points out the mood toward our government is directed at both the President and Congress.

    Your followup from Shuster has it all wrong, too. Shuster says "His contempt for the press is really unprecedented," which maybe true, but I'm sure the media's contempt for the President has something to do with that. Crooksandliars is a perfect example of that, claiming Bush "Laughs at Israel’s Bombing of Syria." Sorry, but I didn't see that in the video. I saw a reporter ask about the incident and the President chuckled after trying 9 times to get him to understand he wasn't going to comment. The exchange:



    That was quite an exchange of Dave trying to get Bush to comment on something he wasn't going to comment on, and the laughter was directed at Dave, not Israel's bombing of Syria. It seems Crooksandliars is an appropriate name for this blog.

    That's the kind of thing I'm sick of, and unless someone does the work and finds out for themselves what's going on it's no surprise there is somewhat of a sour mood in America. You won't find any encouragement in the media.

    As for being in fear, yeah, but for different reasons. I'm closer to fearing the left's hatred for Bush and all things conservative could lead to our destruction. I certainly don't live in fear of terrorism - I've spent most of my life 20 miles from a nuclear weapons facility - we were ground zero in the cold war days. I'm a lot more comfortable with us fighting terrorists overseas.
    Yeah, I read through the bias and hype as well as you. :)

    However I do believe Zogby is spot on:

    The…’The bleak mood in America’ was from Zogby as was "They are giving up on this government." and "They tell us they want action on health care, education, the war and immigration, but they don't believe they are going to get it."
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    Oct 19, 2007, 01:35 PM
    New Hampshire RFID Study Commission approves chipping of children and corpses‏
    From: [email protected] on behalf of RTR Press Release ([email protected])
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE October 19th, 2007
    From Samuel Anthony Ettaro, RTR Media
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    NEW HAMPSHIRE RFID STUDY COMMISSION SEES CHIPPING KIDS AND CORPSES AS ACCEPTABLE
    Dr. Katherine Albrecht argued for implant restrictions, but was overridden by industry.

    CONCORD, NH: The NEW HAMPSHIRE RFID STUDY COMMISSION yesterday voted in support of language that would allow guardians and parents to implant RFID microchips into children. The Study Commission was created when the state Senate killed a bill which would have required labeling on all products containing RFID-tagged products in NH and comprises lawmakers, industry and retail representatives, as well as members of the public and state law enforcement officials.

    Dr. Katherine Albrecht, who will be speaking on RFID at the Hope for America Conference in Tempe, AZ on December 8th [conference site- http://www.rtrlive.com], was appointed to the Commission by the governor of NH to represent consumer interests. This group meets once per month and one of its tasks is to provide recommendations to the state legislature including recommendations on possible legislation.

    In the Oct 17th meeting in Concord, NH several aspects of proposed legislation were debated and several important votes were taken.

    In this marathon meeting spanning three and a half hour long meeting the commission voted to remove specific language in proposed legislation submitted by Rep. Neal Kurk, which was designed to raise the bar on the microchipping of humans. In a 9-5 vote, the committee voted to strike down language requiring that anyone receiving a human implant must be at least eighteen years of age and eliminated language that would have required an individual's own personal consent to receive a microchip in their body.

    The original text of Rep. Kurk's legislation read, "Consent of a guardian, guardian ad litem, attorney-in-fact, parent or other agent shall not be considered adequate consent."

    The new language proposed by industry representative Richard Varn removed the words "shall not" and replaced them with "shall".

    In addition the Commission struck out an entire provision which would have prohibited the microchipping of corpses. There was a discussion about the fact that many people have religious objections to receiving a microchip post-mortem and see it as a desecration of their body.

    The committee considered allowing a provision which would have allowed an opt-out policy wherein all corpses would be potentially subject to chipping unless the individual had opted out while alive through some applicable directive.

    Once realizing that they had the majority on that point, they moved to completely strike the language prohibiting corpse chipping altogether. This was discussed after people expressed dismay that their deceased relatives had been chipped as part of the cleanup of hurricane Katrina.

    "These votes were not surprising considering the makeup of the commission," said Dr. Katherine Albrecht. "Those with Pro-RFID views are disproportionately represented on the Commission. We should clarify that this is really just an advisory body, and while we will be making recommendations we're not responsible for enacting public policy. Although it seems obvious that the deck is stacked on the Commission in favor of industry, there is still a chance to get the type of bill that we want once this goes out to our legislature."

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    Oct 19, 2007, 01:42 PM
    More spam?
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    Oct 19, 2007, 01:49 PM
    Only the Americans that know what is really going on are feeling a bit bleak due to the majority of Americans that think everything will be just fine. 500 chanels and nothing on.

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