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 Originally Posted by savedsinner7
Wind: I can see it during a dust storm. I can feel it when it blows on me. I can measure it. God: I can not see him. I can not feel him. I can not smell him. I can not hear him. I can not even taste him. I can not use a tool to measure him. In all experiment involving prayer it has no effect on the person being prayed for. So unlike electricity and wind, god doesn't exist by your own standards but lets keep going just for fun. Invisible, intangible, silent, odorless, tasteless Unicorn that only answers prayer if they are going to come true anyways: I can not see him. I can not feel him. I can not smell him. I can not hear him. I can not even taste him. I can not use a tool to measure him. In all experiment involving prayer it has no effect on the person being prayed for. Your god = The unicorn |
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Tj3 just pwned someone! LOL... OMGosh! Hahaha
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Originally Posted by nigel5
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Originally Posted by nigel5
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Originally Posted by deist
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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I didn't really think he made a good argument either it was just long.
It all goes back to that extraordinary claims call for extraordinary evidence. I am much more likely to believe 3 people that tell me a man robbed a bank, than the 6 people who saw the same robbery and said it was monster. Why is that, I don't know the credibility of any of these 9 people but I dismissed 6 of their eye witness accounts right from the get go without even looking looking more into it. Why because I've heard of a man robbing a bank but there isn't any evidence to support monsters even existing much less robbing a bank. If those 6 people came back with more evidence than just what they say, I would consider it but right now monsters don't rob banks. People need to think this way otherwise they can get over whelmed by a few determined liars. |
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I totally agree with you NK (didn't know that could happen did ya), I didn't know what "pwning" meant but it clearly is immature. Nigel5, come on, don't represent yourself as a Christian and then resort to such immature behavior. You should be a representative to the world of fairness and compassion, don't degrade yourself to this level!! |
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God is not invisible or silent. He speaks but only to those who are listening. I can feel His presence. I can see the beauty He created for me to experience. I can know that what He says to me He will do. My God is real. I feel pity for those who do not yet know Him. I can see the effects of prayer on my life and for those who I've prayed for.
Mark 11:24 I tell you, you can pray for anything, and if you believe that you’ve received it, it will be yours. Mark 11:23-25 (in Context) Mark 11 (Whole Chapter) John 17:20 “I am praying not only for these disciples but also for all who will ever believe in me through their message. John 17:19-21 (in Context) John 17 (Whole Chapter) Exodus 3:14 God replied to Moses, “I Am Who I Am. Say this to the people of Israel: I Am has sent me to you.” Exodus 3:13-15 (in Context) Exodus 3 (Whole Chapter) God does not need to explain the unexplainable to us. Our minds cannot comprehend the wonders of who He is. Originally Posted by michealb
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Originally Posted by savedsinner7
Oh and I know, I'm doomed to burn in hell for all eternity when the wrath of your god strikes me down. Don't worry about my soul though I've had a personal talk with Zeus and he says that I don't need to worry about the christian god. See? Zeus is not invisible or silent. Zeus speaks but only to those who are listening. I can feel Zeus' presence. I can see the beauty Zeus created for me to experience. I can know that what Zeus says to me Zeus will do. My Zeus is real. I feel pity for those who do not yet know Zeus. I can see the effects of prayer to Zeus on my life and for those who I've prayed for. *Edit* Forgot to say prove to me that Zeus doesn't exist bet you can't. |
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You misunderstood my questions, they are to get one to admit that even though we cannot see the actual electricity or wind, we know they are there by the effects they have on our lives. Just the same with God. But, he WILL NOT be found by those who are searching to further their own deceived agenda's and ideas. He WILL BE found by those who call on Him with a pure heart.
Originally Posted by michealb
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But we CAN see electricity... in the winter, when the air is dry, I can build up a static charge and put my finger near metal and SEE the spark it creates. When there is a thunderstorm, I can look in the sky and SEE lightning. We can also see the wind - the trees move, my hair moves, my shirt, leaves skitter across the ground... it's all there. I think that's the point - anyone can see electricity or the wind, there's no prerequisite for a "pure heart" or whatever. Just working eyes. If you want to make the argument one cannot see god unless he/she is looking for him, that's fine, but you can't say electricity and wind can't be seen, when they clearly can.
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Let's face it. Christians are just brainwashed.
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But we can see electricity and the wind. Your god on the other hand has no measurable qualities. Which is fine for you take your god from people that lived a 2000 years ago who didn't understand electricity or the wind. Just admit that god is a matter of faith and you will ignore what would be otherwise be good scientific data if it doesn't correspond to what your faith believes.
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Originally Posted by michealb
Are there billions of zeus followers? Have there been in the past and the present martyrs for Zeus? Is there a BZ and AZ on dates or are trying to change it to BCE and CE which still acknowledges Jesus? Are there people arguing over the existence of zeus? Are there people blaming or defending Zeus? Has Zeus inspired a literary work that is a perennial bestseller, translated in multiple languages, whose authenticity is questioned, and that people live their lives by? Are there billion selling movies about Zeus? You can ask the same thing about Your unicorn, purple dragon examples. Grace and Peace |
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Originally Posted by michealb
Of course the belief in God is a matter of faith. Who denied it? We could say the same to you. You ignore what could otherwise be good evidence of God's existence because science can't explain it. It's a matter of one's individual opinion. Most of us don't ignore science. God's explanation makes more sense to us than science's explainations. Just like science's explainations makes more sense to you than God's |
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Are there billions of zeus followers?
At one point in time there were millions but we both know just because a lot of people believe something is right doesn't make it so, slavery for example. Have there been in the past and the present martyrs for Zeus? Past yes and present yes I Still Worship Zeus - National Film Network Is there a BZ and AZ on dates or are trying to change it to BCE and CE which still acknowledges Jesus? This just proves that christians push their believes on people who don't want them. What's your point? Are there people arguing over the existence of zeus? Isn't that what were doing right now? Are there people blaming or defending Zeus? During greek history yes. It was the will of Zeus or some other god depending on what was going on. Has Zeus inspired a literary work that is a perennial bestseller, translated in multiple languages, whose authenticity is questioned, and that people live their lives by? How do you prove inspired work? Zeus really wasn't into books but there are are some really nice temples that were built and people did try to live there lives to gain Zeus' favor. Are there billion selling movies about Zeus? Movies about Zeus? I didn't realize that movies were our basis for reality but I'll bite. Zeus not so much but I don't really remember that many movies that star god either. You must want to compare movies that star the sons of gods. In your example Jesus in mine Hercules. I think Hercules has done a few movies. I looked it up IMDB. There are 70 partial title matches for Hercules and 214 for Jesus. Considering Hercules reached his peak worshipping popularity much before movies were even thought of, I'd have to say advantage Hercules(son of Zeus) for staying power. Grace and Peace[/QUOTE] |
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Isaiah 45:21
Consult together, argue your case.Get together and decide what to say.Who made these things known so long ago?What idol ever told you they would happen?Was it not I, the Lord?For there is no other God but me,a righteous God and Savior.There is none but me. Romans 9:20 No, don't say that. Who are you, a mere human being, to argue with God? Should the thing that was created say to the one who created it, “Why have you made me like this?” Matthew 11:25 [ Jesus' Prayer of Thanksgiving ] At that time Jesus prayed this prayer: “O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding these things from those who think themselves wise and clever, and for revealing them to the childlike. 2 Timothy 2:24 A servant of the Lord must not quarrel but must be kind to everyone, be able to teach, and be patient with difficult people. Bowing out of this argument. Thanks all. Kel |
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Michael b:
I'm curious as to the last reported martyr for Zeus? Chinese Christian Martyr, Jiang, copied from VOM for example. BC and AD just goes to show the influence of Christianity in the western world of which Greece is a part of. As to movies: The Passion - to name one. There are others like, Chronicles of Narnia which is Christian based. Here's more t think about: Are there charitible organizations that are Zeus based? Analogous to Christian organizations like The Salvation Army, St Jude's, faith based hospitals etc... Everything about Zeus is in the past, and of little influence today. And the only reason I thought of Zeus, or unicorns is because you brought it up. Grace and Peace |
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Zeus was cooler than Yahweh. Hercules was cooler than Jesus.
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