[tomder55]

heard a little bit of Dobson on Hannity. He stated he could not be true to himself, or compromise his own values, by endorsing a candidate who did not have share his views on certain issues.

yeah I respect him for that also . But that is different than encouraging a 3rd Party run. Like I said ;split the Republican vote and get Hillary nominating 3 justices to SCOTUS... The progressive agenda codified for another generation into law. All the work of the conservatives since the 1970s destroyed .

[labman]

Considering that people are so anxious to risk national security to destroy Bush for his views, no wonder.

[speechlesstx]

Reports of the demise of social conservatism are greatly exaggerated. Leaderless as you say, to an extent, yes. I don't think anyone wants to jump in and take that position given the way Dobson, Falwell and others have been demonized... and then you have idiots like Haggard that don't help the cause.

Things are going to move more to the center but I would bet you're going to see a backlash against the far left as well. And I hope - and suspect - that most social conservatives will consider what Dobson says - then vote for someone with a chance to win.

Steve

[speechlesstx]

So, wassa matter with Mike Hukabee?

Nothing in my book, I like Huckabee, but as Kathleen Parker put it he doesn't have electability. That's what I've been concerned with all along, that evangelicals "may be creating their own worst nightmare," as Parker also put it.

[ETWolverine]

First, define social conservativism. Seems to me that everyone has a different idea of where the lines are drawn. I consider myself to be a social conservative, but other social conservatives may consider me too liberal or too conservative for their taste. So I don't think that there has been a demise of social conservativism so much as there is no clear definition of what social conservativism is.

Second, Fred Thompson is a social conservative on most issues. There are a few issues where he and I disagree and he is to the left of me. But to say that he's a social liberal would be a gross oversimplification of his position.

There's also Mitt Romney, who's about as socially conservative as you can get on most issues. And he certainly stands in the top tier of Republican candidates.

Mike Huckabee is another social conservative running for President.

Duncan Hunter is a social conservative candidate.

Social conservativism certainly isn't dead. There are certainly social conservative candidates out there.

Elliot

[speechlesstx]

NRO offered an interesting possibility that even Dobson might back, a Giuliani/Rick Santorum or Mike Huckabee type ticket. Pair Rudy with someone like that and I betcha social conservatives will get behind it.

[excon]

Hello El & its:

You're social conservatives and you're not jumping on any of THEIR bandwagons... which was my point, after all.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello El & its:

You're social conservatives and you're not jumping on any of THEIR bandwagons.... which was my point, afterall.

excon

Ex, my being a social conservative doesn't mean I'm so dumb as to support a candidate that can't win. My priority is to stop Hillary, so I'll take half a loaf if I can't get the whole shebang. Contrary to the misguided opinions of some, I think most of us are smart enough to know there are no perfect candidates and to know the difference between electing someone to run the country and voting on a new church pastor. :)

Steve

[ETWolverine]

I'm not? I'm a Fred Thompson supporter.

[kindj]

Choux:

You said: "Choux disagrees: It's the so-called "Conservatives" who are really involved in a fascist movement who insult and demean their opponents!!! LOL!!"

Can you really not see the hypocrisy in your own words?

[nicespringgirl]

I am a social conservative.
Every time I mentioned about morality, there would be some women on this site yelling at me that I can't anything about what they want to do!
The funny thing is they would state their dirty history without a confession. I didn't even want to know about that!
Women... geez... that's why I prefer not to talk about politics with them.

[ETWolverine]

Excon,

If Conservatism is out of favor and has suffered a "demise" how do you explain why Harry Reid has an 18% approval rating overall and only 30% in his home state of Nevada? Why does Nancy Pelosi have a 30% approval rating? Why does Joe Biden have an approval rating of 20%?

By comparison, Condi Rice has a 41% approval rating and John Roberts has a 42% approval rating. Even Bush's rating is running around 38%. If conservatism is on the outs, why is Bush getting higher approval ratings than Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden?

If conservatism is on the outs, why did a poll regarding Elliot Spitzer's immigation plan (to grant IDs and rights to illegal immigrants) show that New Yorkers were against it by 72%? New York... that's a blue state, isn't it?

Something is wrong with your basi premise, Excon. Conservatism isn't suffering the demise you think it is. The Republican Congress suffered a major demise in 2006, yes. But that was because they were acting like a bunch of drunken Democrats rather than conservatives. The people want their elected officials to be MORE conservative, not less.

Elliot