[rfrank41]

Hello MY daughter worked for a grocery retailer as a cahier for over a year. She recently was arrested for stealing money from her register. :( The amount was over $1000.00. She was using a supervisors code for returns that the supervisor gave her during a really busy day. The supervisor is not allowed to hand out her code and did not let anyone know she had. The store watched my daughter over a period of weeks 3-4 and let her theft become worse and worse. Instead of changing the code or firing her with her first theft, they just let her keep doing and believe she was getting away with it. Then one day thye had her arrested and charged with two felonies. This is her first offense and she may only have to do probation and fines, but doesn't the store have any responsibility for letting this continue when they could have stopped it? :confused: thanks :mad:

[excon]

but doesnt the store have any responsibility for letting this continue when they could have stopped it?

Hello frank:

Nope.

excon

[Fr_Chuck]

Nope, they did not make her or tell her to steal, It is often common practice to watch and gather more evidence. This is often done by police and other business. We did a undercover investigation of a warehouse for 6 months before we had varoius people arrested.

[rfrank41]

Thank you I appriciate your honesty. :(

[ScottGem]

I understand you love your daughter and want to protect her. But really, this is grasping at straws. The store is allowed to gather evidence in such a case. Its also allowed to give her enough rope to hange herself.

You should get her an attorney. Its possible you might get the charge reduced IF you can prove the store waited until the thefts had reached a level that would mean a greater crime.

[excon]

Hello again, frank:

I answered your question, because that's what you asked. I'm sure you're tying the best for your daughter, but that was the wrong question to ask. You should have asked how best you can help your daughter.

Had you asked, I would have said:

The stores rights notwithstanding, your daughter MAY have the right NOT to be charged or sentenced based upon the LOOOOONG surveillance. She needs a good criminal lawyer, and she should NOT talk with them further.

I'll bet that last piece of advice came a little too late, huh. Bummer.

excon

[rfrank41]

Thank you very much for all of your answers. It just seems like the employee that gave her the code to use the registers illegally should have some responsiblity to this and the store could have easily changed the code when they knew it had been give out. Instead they just sat there and let her dig herself deeper. I know she is gilty and she has to take responsibility for her actions, I just think the store managers were just as wrong for their actiions. :confused: Thanks

[ScottGem]

The store manager who broke the rules SHOULD be disciplined, but he is not "just as wrong". It is one thing to break the rules and trust an employee with a security code they shouldn't have. That, in NO way, gave your daughter the license to steal. In fact, it should have been just the opposite. She should have been pleased that she was being so entrusted and NOT have betrayed that trust.

So I'm sorry, I just can't see how you can equate breaking store rules with criminal activity.

But I do agree it was unfair (not wrong or illegal) for the store to let her dig herself in deeper. Again, if they did that for the sole reason of jacking up the charges, you might be able to get the charges reduced. But they did have the right to see how far she might go.

[excon]

I know she is gilty and she has to take responsibility for her actions,

Hello again, frank:

I also think you're way off base!! NOT because you're willing to put blame on the store, but because you're willing to throw your daughter to the lions.

You started by saying she probably will only have to do probation and fines, but I think you're making that up. I think you have NO idea what your daughter is facing. I doubt you'll hire a lawyer for her. That's a shame.

excon

[rfrank41]

Excuse me but I posted for some simple advice not insults and I never once said my daughter was not at fault and if I had the money I sure would hire an attorney, but again don't put the blame on someone else because she is the guilty party. I would help her any way I could and I really don't like the idea of you insinuating that I would not help her. Your looking for a fight or what. I said thank you to everyone for the comments and that I was just looking for advice, why your all the sudden attacking me is beyond my comprehension, I have enough worries about this situation without someone telling me that I am a horrible mother and won't hire an attorney. Do you have any clue how much a crimminal attorney cost these days :confused: . I really don't have that kind of money and no one works for free.

[excon]

Do you have any clue how much a crimminal attorney cost these days :confused: . I really don't have that kind of money and no one works for free.

Hello again, frank:

Lady, I guess I'm going to offend you another time because you're making up MORE stuff. Again, you have NO idea how much a criminal attorney costs, because I can tell that you've never picked up a telephone to shop for one.

You are willing to throw your daughter to the wolves because of some gossip you heard about lawyers. Me?? I think that's quite irresponsible for a mother to do.

Well, jail is full of people like your daughter. She might as well join 'em.

excon

[rfrank41]

You know what, you don't know your {expletive deleted-<>} from a hole in the ground because I don't have to sit and make up stuff and yes I have picked up the phone and made some calls, they range any where from 2500.00 to 10,000.00 just to retain {expletive deleted-<>} and stop your {insult deleted-<>} insulting and badgering because I am just plain sick of it. {Insults and derogatory remarks deleted -<>} :mad: :eek:

{Edited to remove violations of the rules -ScottGem<>}

[ScottGem]

Rfrank:
I understand your ire which is why I left the substance of your response while editing out the baseless insults and derogatory remarks.

Now you may ask why I didn't do the same to excon's remarks. The reason is, because, in his sometimes heavy handed ways, he was trying to help you. His assumptions were reasonable based on what you have posted. Yours were not.

[rfrank41]

Excuse me your telling me he is being reasonable telling me that I am making stuff up and that I will not hire an attorney for my daughter and that is a shame. He knows nothing about me or my family except for the crime discussed and you tell me I am not being reasonable. Are you all sitting with your heads buried in the sand.

[rfrank41]

Also just for the record, there were not any derogatory comments made, I could have been a whole lot worse but I am trying to bite my tongue and not get nasty. Even though he deserves it.

[RubyPitbull]

I am really confused by your posts. The fact that the store may have let this go too far isn't the issue at hand. Your daughter stole money, she is in serious trouble, and she needs a lawyer. How old is she? If she is over 18, and she doesn't have the money to privately hire a criminal attorney, and you can't afford to help her with it, then even if we all agreed that the store might have gone too far, it won't help your daughter when she has to appear in court for this crime. You are focusing your attention on the wrong issue. A public defender, in all likelihood, won't go out of his way to show the judge that the store created a situation that resulted with her being charged with a more serious offense. That is what everyone here is trying to tell you. Don't waste your time arguing with people here. You need to give your daughter a swift verbal kick in the butt (not strangers on a web site) to get her to wake up and realize this is serious and she needs to defend herself properly by hiring someone with knowledge of the criminal court system to help her.

[ScottGem]

excuse me your telling me he is being reasonable telling me that I am making stuff up and that I will not hire an attorney for my daughter and that is a shame. He knows nothing about me or my family except for the crime discussed and you tell me I am not being reasonable. Are you all sitting with your heads burried in the sand.

Again based on what you have said, it was not unreasonable for him to assume that you hadn't made the attempts to price a lawyer.

also just for the record, there were not any derogatory comments made, I could have been a whole lot worse but I am trying to bite my tongue and not get nasty. Even though he deserves it.

I'm sorry but a whole lot of what you said was VERY derogatory and very much against the rules of this site. Obviously I am not going to give specific examples here, but I would have been on solid ground to delete the whole post. I didn't because I felt your anger had some justification. But I had to clean it up if I was going to leave it.