[tomder55]

I am surprised this story hasn't been posted about yet. But then again it has not been the focus of the MSM either . This is far more than a local murder story. It is a story that you might read about from the streets of Baghdad Iraq .

Evidently Chauncey Bailey ,the editor of the Oakland Tribune was assassinated by a thug involved in an extremist Muslim group that Bailey was investigating.

Devaughndre Broussard ,the alleged gunner ,was among seven people arrested in Friday's raids on 'Your Black Muslim Bakery ' . 'Your Black Muslim Bakery 'is an outpost of the Nation of Islam.

Broussard has confessed to the murder.

Officer Roland Holmgren, a police spokesman, said Mr. Broussard “referred to himself as a ‘soldier’ ” for the bakery’s leadership. “We don’t believe he acted alone,” Mr. Holmgren said.

Friday’s raid resulted in the discovery of the weapon used to kill Mr. Bailey and two other men in July, the police said. Those killings were part of a crime spree that police said also included a pair of kidnappings on May 18 in east Oakland. Two other men associated with the bakery, Joshua Bey, 19, and Tamon Halfin, 21, are also expected to be charged on Tuesday with those crimes, Mr. Jordan said.

Joshua Bey is a son of Yusef Bey, a prominent black Muslim leader who founded the bakery in 1968.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/07/us...us&oref=slogin

The bakery was the centrepiece of a business empire founded by Yusef Bey, a black Muslim leader in Oakland whose followers preached a strict message of Islam and black political power. Bey's followers have long been the subject of intense police and media scrutiny for their alleged use of strong-arm tactics in promoting their business interests and also shutting down stores that sold alcohol.

Bey was also stridently anti-homosexual and awaited trial on 27 counts of sex crimes when he died of cancer in 2003.


Bailey had written articles about Your Muslim Black Bakery and was believed to be working on further investigations when he was killed. He had recently been making enquiries in the black business community about the bakery's finances. His colleagues also told police he had recently received death threats because of his journalistic work, but had not been specific about their source.

Islamist sect blamed for editor's street execution - 06 Aug 2007 - NZ Herald: World / International News

Bey was some character . His arrest involved the rape of an under-aged girl . He had a long history of rape and abuse of his followers and had by rape fathered numerous children out of wedlock. His sons were also long time criminals . Yusuf Bey IV was arrested twice, first for leading a gang that trashed two Oakland liquor stores and intimidated their owners, and second for running over a San Francisco bouncer . Nedir Bey,Yusuf Bey's "spiritually adopted" son, beat a business rival with a flashlight, while another member of the bakery tortured the victim with a heated knife.

Why isn't The Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) condemning the actions of this extreme group ? The murder of Chauncey Bailey should provide renewed impetus to call upon the American Muslim community to loudly and unambiguously condemn the actions of extreme Islam in this country and around the world. Until they do they reinforce the notion that their silence gives tacit approval to such actions.

[firmbeliever]

I am suprised this story hasn't been posted about yet. But then again it has not been the focus of the MSM either . This is far more than a local murder story. It is a story that you might read about from the streets of Baghdad Iraq .

Evidently Chauncey Bailey ,the editor of the Oakland Tribune was assassinated by a thug involved in an extremist Muslim group that Bailey was investigating.

Devaughndre Broussard ,the alleged gunner ,was among seven people arrested in Friday's raids on 'Your Black Muslim Bakery ' . 'Your Black Muslim Bakery 'is an outpost of the Nation of Islam.

Broussard has confessed to the murder.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/07/us...us&oref=slogin

Islamist sect blamed for editor's street execution - 06 Aug 2007 - NZ Herald: World / International News

Bey was some character . His arrest involved the rape of an under-aged girl . He had a long history of rape and abuse of his followers and had by rape fathered numerous children out of wedlock. His sons were also long time criminals . Yusuf Bey IV was arrested twice, first for leading a gang that trashed two Oakland liquor stores and intimidated their owners, and second for running over a San Francisco bouncer . Nedir Bey,Yusuf Bey's "spiritually adopted" son, beat a business rival with a flashlight, while another member of the bakery tortured the victim with a heated knife.

Why isn't The Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) condemning the actions of this extreme group ? The murder of Chauncey Bailey should provide renewed impetus to call upon the American Muslim community to loudly and unambiguously condemn the actions of extreme Islam in this country and around the world. Until they do they reinforce the notion that their silence gives tacit approval to such actions.

One thing you must bear in mind is that muslims do not accept "Nation of Islam" as an Islamic organisation as they have deviated far from the reality of Islam that all races are equal in the sight of Allah, maybe this is the reason the Islamic organisations are not willing to accept these acts as acts of muslims!

[speechlesstx]

One thing you must bear in mind is that muslims do not accept "Nation of Islam" as an Islamic organisation as they have deviated far from the reality of Islam that all races are equal in the sight of Allah, maybe this is the reason the Islamic organisations are not willing to accept these acts as acts of muslims!

Firm, fair enough - but if CAIR and other Islamic organizations do not accept NOI as an Islamic organization, one would think they would be the most quick to denounce and distance themselves from this type of tragedy. Don't you think that would be wise?

[tomder55]

Firm

If what you say is true ;and I have no reason to dispute it ,my contention remains the same. Until the mainstream Muslims come out and vociferously condemn these act that are made in the name of Islam by extremists then I would have to assume that either the billion + plus Muslims of the world are completely intimidated by the "extremist who have hijacked the religion" or they by their inactions support these types of outrages.

From our perspective the Muslim community is quick to the streets when things like cartoons about Allah are published. If they are a distortion of the faith worthy of outrage then surely the execution of a newspaper publisher who is only investigating a front group for a criminal organization that itself distorts the religion should be worthy of the same outrage.

[speechlesstx]

Tom, speaking of CAIR, I just received this from Dr. Mike Adams:

Dear DrAdams.org Subscribers

I've written about a number of threats to the First Amendment in recent years. But few have riled me up as much as a recent letter written by attorney Joseph E. Sandler ([email protected]). Sandler was hired by CAIR (the Council on American-Islamic Relations) after the organization learned that Robert Spencer was to give a speech called "The Truth About CAIR" at the National Conservative Student Conference held by the Young America's Foundation (YAF).

Here's what Sandler wrote to my friend Ron Robinson, President of YAF:

"You should be aware that Mr. Spencer, a well-known purveyor of hatred
and bigotry against Muslims, has a history of false and defamatory statements. Several of those statements have falsely accused CAIR of activity that would constitute a federal offense."

After failing to provide a single "false and defamatory" statement by Spencer, Sandler went on to exercise his constitutional right to praise CAIR for its work in fighting terrorism (Note: This is not to suggest that the praise is in any way deserved, just that it is
Protected by the First Amendment).

After a)citing specific evidence in support of the notion that CAIR is an anti-terrorist organization, and b)citing no evidence of false and defamatory statements by Spencer (nor any of the evidence supporting Spencer's contrary opinion), Joseph E. Sandler
([email protected]) made a rather outrageous request that is worth reproducing in its entirety:

"For these reasons, we demand that YAF cancel the subject session (at which Spencer is speaking), or else take steps to ensure that false and defamatory statements are not disseminated at that session. Our clients have instructed us to pursue every available and appropriate legal remedy to redress any false and defamatory statements that are made at the session. Please let us know by the close of business today, August 1, 2007, whether you intend to comply with these requests. Joseph E. Sandler, [email protected],(202) 479-1111"

Please help DrAdams.org by taking the time to do at least one of four things today:

1. Write Joseph E. Sandler ([email protected]) and tell him to stop helping Muslim extremists wage a Jihad against the First Amendment in the United States of America.

2. Call Joseph E. Sandler (202-479-1111) and tell him to stop helping Muslim extremists wage a Jihad against the First Amendment in the United States of America.

3. Fax a copy of the First Amendment to Sandler, Reiff & Young at (202) 479-1115.

4. Fax a Xerox copy of your extended middle finger to Sandler, Reiff & Young at (202) 479-1115.

I plan to follow option #4. And I plan to write about this in my Town Hall column on Thursday. That is, unless Mr. Sandler tries to stop me.

This is organized Islam in America. Don't be offended at peace loving Imams creating fear in airports, Muslims demanding - and in some cases getting - wash basins, segregated restrooms and classrooms, organized prayer time in schools and discrimination by Muslim taxi drivers - but how dare you offend those peace loving Muslims. Personally, I'm sick of it and I am still waiting for Islam to stop making excuses and take back their 'peaceful' religion... if indeed that it is what they claim.

[firmbeliever]

Tomder and speechless, I do think you have a point..
Why not trying a more direct approach and ask them yourself why they do not take any verbal action againct such acts.
As I am not in the US I cannot really speak for an organisation based there.

As for me personally I condemn any act of violence that is taken on innocent people and not for reasons of self defence.

Muslims are commanded by Allah to be just even if it be against our own families or loved ones.

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http://www.binbaz.co.uk/
On Terrorism, Suicide Bombings and Related Affairs
Shaikh Ibn Baz and Shaikh Ibn Jibreen on Hijacking and Kidnapping
Source: Kaifa Nu'aaliju Waaqi'unaa al-Aleem
Article ID : MNJ140002 [15280]




Imaam Ibn Baaz on Hijacking planes and kidnapping

"From that which is known to everyone who has the slightest bit of common sense is that hijacking airplanes and kidnapping children and the like are extremely great crimes, the world over. Their evil effects are far and wide, as is the great harm and inconvenience caused to the innocent; the total effect of which none can comprehend except Allaah.

Likewise, from that which is known is that these crimes are not specific to any particular country over and above another country, nor any specific group over and above another group, rather it encompasses the whole world.

There is no doubt about the effect of these crimes; so it is obligatory upon the governments and those responsible from amongst the scholars and other than them to afford these issues great concern, and to exert themselves as much as possible in ending this evil."

Shaykh Ibn Baaz
Kayfa Nu'aalij Waaqi'unaa al-Aleem - Page 108-109

[Choux]

This Oakland religious organization is an organized criminal enterprise hiding behind religion; that is very common in America, that is, scoundrels use religion to get a base of support and God-validity, and then pursue their own agendas that usually involve:

1. Greed

2. Illicit Sex

3. "Political" power.

This is really a *local story* to Oakland since it is an *organized crime story*. Here in Chicagoland we have had our own organized crime story occupying the headlines. Our organized crime story involved Italians, not Blacks, and didn't have a religious connection.

This incident would make a good "Law and Order" episode.

[tomder55]

Choux

I think it has the same national and regional import that the gunning down of Theo VanGough or the Fatwah on Salman Rushdie has. The fact that the national news has disregarded it is more proof that they black out news that doesn't fit in their world view.

Had this been the KKK ;using a bakery front called the Arian Nation Bakery ;doing the shooting, it would've been the lead story on ABC news the same night .

[Choux]

Almost all the MSM is owned by five conservative entities (Disney is one) . They control what is broadcast on the national level(and elsewhere), and **local crime stories** are not on the agenda.

I saw a special on the KKK last night, so just to remind you, that organization has special historical relevance to America IT WAS A NATIONAL CHRISTIAN TERRORIST ORGANIZATION that killed many many blacks and all stories about that group's long time violence may have possibly made the national news, but not likely, even for their sorry butts.

Chicago's organized crime story is all about Italian mobsters, Mafia stuff, just like it has been since Al Capone's day. Why, the First Ward(downtown Chicago)alderman was always considered Organized Crime's Alderman. :)

I guess we agree to disagree about this matter :)

[tomder55]

Firm

As for me personally I condemn any act of violence that is taken on innocent people and not for reasons of self defence.

Muslims are commanded by Allah to be just even if it be against our own families or loved ones.

I commend you for that . Do you believe the goal of Islam peaceful or otherwise should be the creation of a global califate ? Do you think I should convert to Islam or become a dhimmi ?

You have in other posts tried to explain the textbook definition of jihad. Do you think that most Muslims share that classic interpretation of the concept ? What in your view is the difference between Islam today and the radical brand that is being taught in many madrassa in Pakistan Egypt and Saudi Arabia among other nations. Do you agree with the goals of al-Qaeda ?

[firmbeliever]

FirmI commend you for that . Do you believe the goal of Islam peaceful or otherwise should be the creation of a global califate ? .......

Thank you tomder for your commendation..
Islams goal is to submit to One God and obey His commands.
The goal of Islam is to build the character of each individual to face His Lord on the Day of Resurrection with a book of good deeds that outweighs the bad.
The goal of Islam is to show guidance to the Heaven of the Hereafter, and to live a life of submission to Allah in this world knowing that this world is only temporary.

I am no scholar on Islam and I speak with what little knowledge I have...
About Islam being peaceful, it is a religion of peace for the soul and justice is demanded by Allah from all muslims.
Even during wars muslims are commanded not to harm children and women or to cut down trees for no reason.
Muslims fighting in self defense is allowed otherwise it would be a very illogical religion.

Regarding the establishment of a Caliphate in this world... I can't say much about it as I have not read in depth on this topic, when I have I will let you know.
I do know/believe that Islam will rule during the time of Jesus (alaihi salaam) after he descends to earth.
( a link to the history of the first four caliphs of Islam http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/politics...urcaliphs.html.

I do not know about Al Qaeda's agenda other than what I hear on the media, but I do think that they are being given credit far too much and being used as a scapegoat for many incidents .
I also know that it is haram in Islam to take a life unjustly.
Refer following link for a scholars opinion on Bin Laden and his actions.
http://www.spubs.com/sps/downloads/pdf/GSC020003.pdf

About Jihad-
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http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/referenc...erm.JIHAD.html
Other Commonly Used Spellings: JIHAAD
It is an Arabic word the root of which is Jahada, which means to strive for a better way of life. The nouns are Juhd, Mujahid, Jihad, and Ijtihad. The other meanings are: endeavor, strain, exertion, effort, diligence, fighting to defend one's life, land, and religion.
Jihad should not be confused with Holy War; the latter does not exist in Islam nor will Islam allow its followers to be involved in a Holy War. The latter refers to the Holy War of the Crusaders.
Jihad is not a war to force the faith on others, as many people think of it. It should never be interpreted as a way of compulsion of the belief on others, since there is an explicit verse in the Qur'an that says:"There is no compulsion in religion" Al-Qur'an: Al-Baqarah (2:256).
Jihad is not a defensive war only, but a war against any unjust regime. If such a regime exists, a war is to be waged against the leaders, but not against the people of that country. People should be freed from the unjust regimes and influences so that they can freely choose to believe in Allah.

Not only in peace but also in war Islam prohibits terrorism, kidnapping, and hijacking, when carried against civilians. Whoever commits such violations is considered a murderer in Islam, and is to be punished by the Islamic state. During wars, Islam prohibits Muslim soldiers from harming civilians, women, children, elderly, and the religious men like priests and rabies. It also prohibits cutting down trees and destroying civilian constructions.
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And do I think that Jihad being taught in Islamic schools is wrong? If it is taken out of context and used for someone's own agendas, then it is wrong.Some of the schools you see on the news are just simple madhrasas that teach children to recite and learn the Quran, but some who recruit do seem to target the poor people as they are ones who really are needy for any assistance.
Sometimes muslims are shown on videos when the men go camping/trekking etc and shoot guns (which has colour pellets, and how many non muslim have been photographed with guns but these pictures are rarely seen on the news even when the person in question is a wanted felon).I am not saying all suicide bombers were innocent but many of the ones being taken into custody are taken there just because he has a beard and knows the Quran.
Did you know that keeping the beard is part of all Prophets and messengers (even the depictions of Jesus (peace be upon him) in churches etc all have beards and we follow the same custom of keeping the beard .
And if a muslim truly follows the teachings Muhammad (saw) and the Quran in its entirety then he/she will be the most honourable human being you will ever find (I am not talking about those who distort facts and the real teachings of Islam)

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http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/notislam...nceptions.html
Misconception 7
Islam tolerates the killing of innocents because:
Muslims can be terrorists
Muslims engage in `holy wars' (jihad)
Islam spread by the sword
It has a harsh and cruel judicial system

This misconception is one of the most widely held misconceptions about Islam today. And yet in the Qur'an, the Creator unambiguously states (translation),
[17:33] Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand retaliation or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life, for he is helped (by the Law)

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And about you converting to Islam!
That is not for me to say whether you must or not because if your heart does not believe then it is of no use...
But if your heart truly does believe in the teachings of Islam and that there is only One God and that Muhammad (saw) is the last and final messenger and that Jesus (alaihi salaam) is a messenger of God, then you are already a muslim in your heart! :) .