[BABRAM]

well they can take there situation back to mexico. there are thousands of americans homeless and dying on the streets but the us goverment seems more interested in helping some people from another country. I say we take care of our own then try to be humanitarians.

next of all I have been were mexicans are in large numbers. I have seen for my self they willl forge 6 diffrent identies and draw checks that mine and you taxes pay for. I am not against the entire mexican race just the one that are here illegaly

One thing you'll find is that most people on this board accept that your entitled to a freedom of speech and opinion. I happen to agree with you on the reduction of welfare across the board in the U.S. (everybody). In fact that was one thing your wife and I discussed and agreed fully upon yesterday. Now was your admittance to Excon of being a racist just a tongue-in-cheek comment in a moment of anger? BTW we already deport illegals and are working on fencing the border. The aid to Mexico will always be and if for no other reason than humanitarian, it's diplomatic.



Bobby:)

[Big10]

Yes Otto, America should try and take care of America first. Is that true about what you just wrote: that the government seems more interested in helping some people from another country? That's pretty bad if it is true, and it makes me trust the American government less. What is the point of that (if what you are claiming is true Otto).
You would think that the government was working for us, since we are paying the government.

I also know that their situation is partially caused by America, and I never thought to look at this fact, but was reminded of this when I read someone else's post. It's true, we did take some of their land, and you know what is done to a group in the process of conquering another's land. These people didn't wake up and decide to be poor or to do illegal things. There's something that produces that sort of behavior in a human.
We're on the same page though, about securing the border.

[Wondergirl]

There are many programs available to those homeless on U.S streets, but they won't take advantage of them. Like one homeless guy told me, "I am not a case and I don't want to be managed." To get into a program, they have to give up independence in some way. Too many are alcoholics whose families have given up on them and they don't want someone telling them how to live. The illegal immigrants, on the other hand, are eager to get into those programs and get free medical care. Many are families with children.

Many of the illegals do not forge checks and take advantage of us. They just want jobs and a decent life and money to send back home.

[otto186]

One thing you'll find is that most people on this board accept that your entitled to a freedom of speech and opinion. I happen to agree with you on reduction of welfare acrosss the board in the U.S. (everybody), in fact that was one thing your wife and I discussed and agreed fully upon yesterday. Now was your admittance to Excon of being a racist just a tongue-in-cheek comment in a moment of anger? BTW we already deport illegals and are working on fencing the border. The aid to Mexico will always be and if for no other reason than humanitarian, it's diplomatic.



Bobby:)

When I said I was racist I was not speaking out of anger.

Yes they want to close the border but all I hear is talk. Actions speak louder then words. As for as I am concerned I don't think the government is going to do crap!!

[BABRAM]

When I said I was racist I was not speaking out of anger.

yes they want to close the border but all I hear is talk. Actions speak louder then words. As for as I am concerned I dont think the goverment is going to do crap!!!

OK. That's fair and honest. Between the two, an illegal and racist, I'd rather spend my energy deporting the greater of the two evils, that being the racist.



Bobby;)

[otto186]

Well if you want to let the illegals come over here that's fine. If you want to support their illegal lazy A$$ then good for you. I don't feel like I should, when I work 14 hr days just to support my family and myself

[otto186]

OK. That's fair and honest. Between the two, an illegal and racist, I'd rather spend my energy deporting the greater of the two evils, that being the racist.



Bobby;)

I am what you call a equal opportunity racist.

I hate everybody equally

[paraclete]

Have you thought of a different solution which may be cheaper and more quick, build a ditch so that vehicles cannot cross and people who try too are trapped in the ditch, it would make a good deterrent

[otto186]

A gun would make a good deterrent too but I would call it target practice

[BABRAM]

Well if you want to let the illegals come over here thats fine. If you want to support their illegal lazy A$$ then good for you. I dont feel like I should, when I work 14 hr days just to support my family and myself

The fact is I don't. I went through the legal process as a sponsor. Like "Big10" in essence we agree with you, outside of your racist comment.



Bobby

[paraclete]

Yes by all means expand the North American empire, after all it's more efficient not to have borders, of course, it is helpful if everyone speaks the same language, oops, a bit of a bug there, but easily solved in a few generations

[BABRAM]

Yes by all means expand the North American empire, afterall it's more efficient not to have borders, of course, it is helpfull if everyone speaks the same language, oops, a bit of a bug there, but easily solved in a few generations

Brain, be careful not to encourage him. He's a self-admitted racist and ready to shoot.



Bobby

[otto186]

I am also part of the armed forces so I am always ready to invade

[BABRAM]

I do believe in the right to keep and bear arms! I also pray nightly for my brother that's currently serving in Iraq for the fourth time.


Bobby

[Starman]

They are just crossing back into what was once Mexico. Consider it payback for land stolen.

1846: The U.S. provokes war with Mexico and acquires half of its territory, including Texas and California. U.S. Interventions

[nauticalstar420]

I do have one question, and I'm being completely serious. Is there anywhere in the US I can move to where I don't have to deal with illegal aliens? Montana possibly?

[Starman]

I do have one question, and i'm being completely serious. Is there anywhere in the US I can move to where I dont have to deal with illegal aliens? Montana possibly?

Avoid places that have original Spanish names such as El Paso = The Way, Nevada=Snow Fall, Arizona=Arid Zone Colorado=Red Boca Raton=Mouses Mouth Florida=Land of Flowers, Tejas=Texas New Mexico Rio Grande=Big River since they were once Mexico proper and some Mexicans maybe think that it still is in a peculiar sort of nostalgic way.

But seriously, your best bet is either Alaska or Hawaii. But then again there is a Puerto Rican presence there, small, but for the sensitive like you it might prove distracting.
As for the Alaskan Inuit, why, they are almost invisible and can't really be considered immigrants since they were there first. Buit then again there is a certain disconcerting resemblance.

Montana= Mountain might be fine for you since immigrants seem not to go in that direction. The article below clarifies why these American as apple pie places have these strange sounding totally un-American FOREIGN-sounding names.

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Spanish Place Names
Hispanic heritage from coast to coast

by Holly Hartman

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Alcatraz Island, now part of the Golden Gate National Recreation Area, draws over a million visitors each year

The Spanish were among the first Europeans to explore what is now the United States, and the first to found a permanent settlement here (St. Augustine, Florida, in 1565). From Alaska's Madre de Dios Island to Mexico, Maine, the United States is dotted with Spanish place names. Here are a few.

Alamo: "poplar." This tall softwood tree gave its name to a number of U.S. places, including the memorable chapel-fort in Texas and the town of Los Alamos in New Mexico, where atomic bombs were produced.

Alcatraz Island (California): from "álcatraces," pelican. A sizable pelican population once lived on this rocky island in the San Francisco Bay.

Boca Raton (Florida): from "boca de ratónes," a Spanish term applied to nearby inlets. It translates as "mouth of the mouse" (not "rat," which is "rata") and may refer to the jagged rocks at these inlets. It has also been suggested that "ratónes" was a term used for the pirates who might hide in such a place.

California: The state was named for a mythical land described in a popular Spanish novel from around 1500, Las sergas de Esplandián (The exploits of Esplandián) by Garcia Ordóñez de Montalvo.

Cape Canaveral (Florida): from "cañaveral," canebrake. The promontory NASA made famous takes its name from the thickets of cane that grow in sandy areas.

Colorado: "reddish." The state is named for the reddish color of mud found in the Colorado River.
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In 1846, during the Mexican War, Commodore John Sloat captured the Mexican village of Yerba Buena and renamed it San Francisco.
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El Paso (Texas): "passage." The border city of El Paso lies at a small gap between the Rockies and the Juarez Mountains of Mexico. This narrow passage has made the city a hub for both north-south and east-west travel.

Florida: "Flowery." Some say that Spanish explorer Ponce de Leon named the land for the Spanish term for Easter, Pascua de Florida (Flowery Feast), because he first saw the land during the Easter season. Others believe he named it for the area's lush flowers.

Fresno (California): "ash tree." The central Californian city and county are named for their abundant ash trees.

La Brea (California): "tar." The tar pits in this famous part of Los Angeles have yielded amazing fossils for more than 100 years.

Las Cruces (New Mexico): "crosses." The city is named for the burial ground of some 40 travelers who were killed by Apaches in 1830. RELATED LINKS
Where Spanish is Spoken

Origin of State Names


Las Vegas (Nevada): "meadows." Before casinos and neon lights defined Las Vegas, the area was noteworthy as a desert oasis with artesian springs.

Los Angeles (California): "angels." In 1781 Spanish settlers founded El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de Los Angeles de Porciúncula (The Town of Our Lady the Queen of the Angels of Porciúncula). It became known as La Ciudad de los Angeles (City of Angels), and then just as Los Angeles.

Los Gatos (California): "cats." At the time this western California city was founded, many wildcats roamed the area.

Montana: from "montaña," mountain. Representative James M. Ashley of Ohio suggested using the Spanish word in honor of the territory's mountainous western part.

Nevada: "snow-covered." The mountains in this western state are often capped with snow.

San Antonio (Texas): "Saint Anthony" (of Padua). On the feast day of St. Anthony in 1691, Spanish explorers found and named the eponymous river. Later the name was given to the city, which was founded in 1718.


Adobe buildings in Santa Fe, New Mexico
San Francisco (California): "Saint Francis" (of Assisi). The city by the bay was once a Mexican village named Yerba Buena (Good Grass). In 1846, during the Mexican War, Commodore John Sloat captured and renamed the settlement for its San Francisco de Asís mission (better known as Mission Dolores), which was founded in 1776.

Sangre de Cristo Mountains (Colorado and New Mexico): "blood of Christ." This mountain range was named for the red glow cast on it by the setting sun.

Santa Fe (New Mexico): "holy faith." Spanish settlers founded this oldest U.S. capital nearly 400 years ago, as La Villa Real de la Santa Fe de San Francisco de Asís (The Royal City of the Holy Faith of Saint Francis).

Spanish Place Names


BTW

So steer clear of such places and you're good to go.

[nauticalstar420]

Avoid places that have original Spanish names such as El Paso = The Way, Nevada=Snow Fall, Arizona=Arid Zone Colorado=Red Boca Raton=Mouses Mouth Florida=Land of Flowers, Tejas=Texas New Mexico Rio Grande=Big River since they were once Mexico proper and some Mexicans maybe think that it still is in a peculiar sort of nostalgic way.

But seriously, your best bet is either Alaska or Hawai. But then again there is a Puerto Rican poresence there, small, but for the sensitive like you it might prove distracting.
As for the Alaskan Inuit, why, thwey are almost invisible and can't really be considered immigrants since they were there first. Montana= Mountain might be fine for you since immigrants seem not to go in that direction. Prostitution is legalized there which you might also consider a plus. The article below clarifies why these places have these strange FOREIGN names.



Fresno (California): "ash tree." The central Californian city and county are named for their abundant ash trees.



BTW

Steer clear of such places and you're good to go.

Wow, thanks for all of that info, seriously. I knew what some of those names meant, but not all.

Why would I find prostitution a plus? Are you implying that I'm a prostitute, or like to sleep with them? That would be an insulting implication and I do not appreciate it.

Fresno happens to be where I am from :)

[Starman]

Wow, thanks for all of that info, seriously. I knew what some of those names meant, but not all.

Why would I find prostitution a plus? Are you implying that i'm a prostitute, or like to sleep with them? That would be an insulting implication and I do not appreciate it.

Fresno happens to be where I am from :)

My aplogies I thought you were male since I didn't take a look at the photograph.
I will erase that part of my response.

[nauticalstar420]

My aplogies I thought you were male since I didn't take a look at the photograph.
I will erase that part of my response.

Its okay, no worries :)

I have a bad habit of not thinking before I speak/type, as you have seen in previous posts of mine. Someone was calling me racist and I'm really not, but I guess I did make myself sound like I am. I apologize for that.