[KAOSKTRL]

But that was history, we live in the modern world

Hindu, Enemy Of Islam'
These are extracts from government-sponsored textbooks approved by the National Curriculum Wing of the Federal Ministry of Education.

"Before the Arab conquest people were fed up with the teachings of Buddhists & Hindus." "Before Islam people lived in untold misery."

"European nations have been working during the past three centuries...to subjugate countries of the Muslim world."

Class IV

* The Muslims of Pakistan provided all facilities to the Hindus and the Sikhs who left for India. But the Hindus and the Sikhs looted the Muslims in India with both hands and they attacked their caravans, buses and railway trains. Therefore, about one million Muslims were martyred on their way to Pakistan.
* The Hindus treated the ancient population of the Indus Valley very badly. They set fire to their houses and butchered them.
* The religion of Hindus did not teach them good things, Hindus did not respect women.

Class V

* After the war of 1965, India with the help of Hindus living in East Pakistan, incited the people of East Pakistan against West Pakistanis. In December 1971, the Indians themselves also attacked East Pakistan. As a result... East Pakistan separated from us. We should all receive military training so that we can foil the designs of the enemy in the future.
* The Hindu has always been an enemy of Islam.

Class VI

* In the middle of the city of Deebal (Sindh), there was a Hindu temple. There was a flag hoisted on top of it. The Hindus believed that as long as the flag kept flying, nobody could harm them. Mohd bin Qasim found out about this... The Muslims began to catapult stones at the temple and at the flag, ultimately making it fall to the ground. The whole city became tumultuous and the Hindus lost heart. Some Muslims clambered up the walls of the temple and forced open the door. Qasim's army entered the city and after conquering it, announced peace. The Muslims treated the vanquished so well many Hindus converted to Islam.
* Before the Arab conquest the people were fed up with the teachings of Buddhists and Hindus.
* The foundation of the Hindu setup was based on injustice and cruelty.
* The Hindus who had always been opportunists cooperated with the British.
* The Hindus used to please the goddess Kali by slaughtering people of other religions.

Class VII

* Some Jewish tribes also lived in Arabia. They lent money to workers and peasants on high rates of interest and usurped their earnings. They held the whole society in their tight grip because of the ever-increasing compound interest.
* History has no parallel to the extremely kind treatment of the Christians by the Muslims. Still the Christian kingdoms of Europe were constantly trying to gain control of Jerusalem. This was the cause of the Crusades.
* European nations have been working during the past three centuries, through conspiracies or naked aggression, to subjugate countries of the Muslim world.

w Hindus always desired to crush the Muslims as a nation. Several attempts were made by the Hindus to erase Muslim culture and civilisation.
* The Hindus too wished to ruin Muslim civilisation and culture by destroying Urdu which has been closely associated with the Pakistan Movement.

Class VIII

* During the Khilafat Movement Hindus and Muslims were completely united and like brothers and they started to cooperate and live in peaceful togetherness. But as soon as this movement ended, Hindu hatred of the Muslim re-emerged.
* Before Islam people lived in untold misery all over the world.

Class IX

* The Hindus and the Muslims... could not amalgamate each other's way of life to become one nation.The main reason for this difference of cultures, civilisation and outlook was the religion of Islam which cannot be assimilated in any other system as it is based on the principle of... oneness of God... On the other hand, Hinduism is based on the concept of multiple Gods... There lies the difference between the Hindu and Muslim way of thinking.
* In connivance with the (British) government the Hindus started communal riots and caused loss of life and property.At the time of prayers the Hindus tortured the Muslims by playing music in front of the mosques. Before the commencement of classes the students saluted the portrait of Mahatma Gandhi and Muslim students were also forced to do so.
* Muslims promoted equality and social justice as against the division (created by) the (Hindu) caste system.

Class X

* (The ideology of) Pakistan... was a revolt against the prevailing system of India in which Hindu nationalism was imposed on the Muslims...
* Islam gives a message of peace and brotherhood... There is no such concept in Hinduism. Moreover Islam preaches brotherhood, equality and justice... On the other hand, the Hindu society is based on caste system which downgrades the entire mankind.
* After the establishment of Pakistan the Hindus and Sikhs created a day of doom for the Muslims in East Punjab.
* The Hindus were encouraged by the (British) government to force the Muslims to join the Congress.



(These extracts have been translated from Urdu which is the standard medium of instruction in government schools in Pakistan.)

[KAOSKTRL]

Sorry link for prior
http://acage.org/articles/?id=0088

Oh well that source is a hate site and bigotted, yak. Yak. Yak.
Here,s another.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatc...ves/007743.php


August 19, 2005

Fitzgerald: Telling the truth about India

Jihad Watch's Hugh Fitzgerald sheds the light of truth on another subject about which there is a great deal of misinformation and disinformation: the treatment of Hindus (and Sikhs) by Muslims in India.

In sheer numbers, no group of Believers has suffered from Islam like the Hindus. It is amazing that few Indian-Americans, and few Indo-British, seem to know the history of their own ancestors and of what the Muslim conquest -- or perhaps one should say the Early Conquest and then the Later Conquest -- did to India, which Naipaul accurately described as a "wounded civilization." K. S. Lal writes of the 60-70 million Hindu victims murdered by their Muslim masters. When those Muslim masters ceased the mass killings, it was not out of any sense of mercy, but only to extort the jizya from people who would now be treated in a manner akin to Jews and Christians: dhimmis who would be allowed to live, but would be subject to a series of economic, political, and social disabilities that guaranteed a permanent status of degradation, humiliation, and physical insecurity. There are those who are morally indifferent to how the Mughal conquerors ruled, or to what happened to the Hindus (or the Sikhs). One thinks of the deplorable William Dalrymple (who is apparently not deplorable enough for the TLS to cease assigning him books to review on the subject) in his popular accounts of the luxury and love-intrigue at Mughal courts, or that other, more scholarly apologist for Islam, Francis Robinson. A number of factors have contributed to the indifference of Hindu intellectuals in India, and outside India, to the real nature of Islam. For the first, there is the common desire to ape the attitudes of so-called intellectuals in London and New York. It would not do, it does not do, to be too exercised about Islam. And of course, all things pertaining to Hindutva, to a sense of Indian nationalism connected to Hinduism, is mocked in the world, though it offers not the slightest threat or menace (unlike Islam) to anyone – anyone, that is, but the Muslims who continue to procreate and "gain market-share" as a percentage of the population in India, even as they harry or persecute or murder the Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan and Bangladesh and, whenever they can, in Kashmir and elsewhere in India.

The astounding ignorance of Indian history that one finds in the Western world, and the supplanting of that history by the ooohing and aahing over Mughal emperors, should stick in everyone's craw. And some sympathetic attention to the claims of Hindus to Hindustan, and to the other non-Muslim populations in that most naturally tolerant of civilizations, should be given in Western universities and in the Western media. Even those newspapers in the Western world that are aimed at an Indian immigrant audience tend to pull their punches about Islam, or perhaps ignore the subject altogether (save in a few cases where the readership is definitely Hindu or Hindu and Sikh). This is done, one supposes, because the newspaper owners do not wish to alienate Muslim Indians in the West who might also read the paper, even if it means ignoring the major issue of our time and possibly of our century: the issue of the world-wide Jihad, from which Indian civilization suffered, and from which Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan, Bangladesh, India itself (including Indian Kashmir), and now in Great Britain, also suffer. Hindus and Sikhs in Britain, having come to the West with its freedoms and opportunities, and who once here have not given any occasion for alarm or offense, now find themselves, thousands of miles from India, subject yet again to the implacable hatred and menace of Islam. Whenever an Indian (Hindu or Sikh) intellectual becomes known outside of India, he is quick to demonstrate his abhorrence of what is called "communalism" (which always means: those silly Hindus, and Sikhs, who may be too much attached to their own traditions and faiths, and of course are to be regarded with lack of sympathy should they dare to demonstrate any lack of sympathy themselves for Islam). One can see the phenomenon, for example, in the attitudes and rhetoric of Amartya Sen, who has written about the "democracy" within Islam. Sen’s is an entirely ahistorical piece that makes one wish to insist that this particular shoemaker should stick to his last profession, though now he appears to have decided to make shoes for the whole wide world.

Readers should go to the historians of India -- K. S. Lal, Sir Jahundath Sarkar, those who contributed to the 19th-century volume edited by the Englishmen Dowson and Elliot -- as well as to the modern non-Indian scholars Koenraad Elst and Francois Gautier. They will be surprised what they will learn about the history of India. They might even begin with that book with the old-fashioned title "The Wonder That Was India," about pre-Islamic India, written by A. L. Basham. Others might choose to look at the grim list of Hindu temples, thousands of them, destroyed by Muslims, a list compiled by Sita Ram Goel (another author, who along with Ram Swarup is regarded by many Bright Young Indian Things as simply beyond the pale -- and they make this judgment without ever having bothered to read his works), and published in two volumes.

Among those of Indian descent well-known to the outside world, and who cannot be ignored as "Hindu fanatics" (a term thrown around a good deal, even though the most fanatical of Hindus would not come close, in the menace that his worldview would present to non-Hindus, to what the mildest and most "moderate" of Muslims presents to non-Muslims), the only one to tell the truth about Islam has been V. S. Naipaul.

There should be many more.

[KAOSKTRL]

Various Islamic conquerors wreaked great havok upon the Hindu and Buddhist cultures of India. Mahmud of Ghazni swore to make war against the idolators every year of his life--he led about 17 invasions, and faithfully followed the Qur'anic directive to kill the idolators wherever they could be found. The slaughter he wrought at the temple of Somnath alone, at which Muslim chroniclers claim a toll of 50,000 Hindus, appoints him a place of infamy in Indian history. After his conquests of Varanasi, Ujjain, Maheshwar, Jwalamukhi, and Dwarka, not one temple was left standing. In Kangra, besides over 10,000 other temples destroyed by Mahmud:

* In the middle of the city there was a temple larger and finer than the rest, which can neither be described nor painted. The Sultan [Mahmud] was of the opinion that 200 years would have been required to build it. The idols included "five of red gold, each five yards high," with eyes formed of priceless jewels. The Sultan gave orders that all the temples should be burnt with naphtha and fire, and leveled with the ground.[VA Smith p207]

Tarikh-i-Yamini of Utbi, Mahmud’s court historian, recorded Mahmud's conquest of Thanesar in 1011:


* The blood of the infidels flowed so copiously [at Thanesar] that the stream was discoloured, notwithstanding its purity, and people were unable to drink it. The Sultan returned with plunder which is impossible to count. Praise he to Allah for the honour he bestows on Islam and Muslims.

And Nandana in 1013:


* The Sultan returned in the rear of immense booty, and slaves were so plentiful that they became very cheap and men of respectability in their native land were degraded by becoming slaves of common shopkeepers. But this is the goodness of Allah, who bestows honour on his own religion and degrades infidelity.

Mahaban 1018:


* The infidels deserted the fort and tried to cross the foaming river, but many of them were slain, taken or drowned. Nearly fifty thousand men were killed. The Sultan gave orders that all the temples should be burnt with naptha and fire, and levelled with the ground.

Kanuaj:


* In Kanauj there were nearly ten thousand temples. Many of the inhabitants of the place fled in consequence of witnessing the fate of their deaf and dumb idols. Those who did not fly were put to death. The Sultan gave his soldiers leave to plunder and take prisoners.

Shrawa:


* The Muslims paid no regard to the booty till they had satiated themselves with the slaughter of the infidels and worshippers of sun and fire. The friends of Allah searched the bodies of the slain for three days in order to obtain booty… The booty amounted in gold and silver, rubies and pearls nearly to three hundred thousand dirhams, and the number of prisoners may be conceived from the fact that each was sold for two to ten dirhams. These were afterwards taken to Ghazni and merchants came from distant cities to purchase them, so that the countries of Mawaraun-Nahr, Iraq and Khurasan were filled with them, and the fair and the dark, the rich and the poor, were commingled in one common slavery.


Faithfully following the example of the prophet, whom upon entering Mecca had the idols of the Kabaa smashed and ordered the Quray****es to destroy their own private idols, the various Muslim conquerors, from Qasim to Mahmud, Muhammad Ghuri, Firuz Shah, Timur, Akbar the Great, Aurangzeb and others, utterly devastated India's Hindu and Buddhist cultural heritage. The great wealth of India has led many apologists to claim that the Hindu conquests were not religious in nature, but fortunately for the rest of us the Islamic conquest were well documented by their undertakers. Timur speaks of his motivations for invading India:

* About this time there arose in my heart the desire to lead an expedition against the infidels, and to become a ghazi; for it had reached my ears that the slayer of infidels is ghazi, and if he is slain he becomes martyr. It was for this reason that I formed my resolution but I was undetermined in my mind whether I should direct my expedition against the infidels of China or against the infidels and polytheists of India. In this matter I sought an omen from the Koran and the verse to which I opened was this: 'O Prophet, make war upon the infidels and unbelievers, and treat them with severity'.


Thus, archeological evidence shows that thousands of mosques in the former Hindu empire are built on the foundations of, and, in many cases, from the debris of, demolished Hindu temples. Idols were smashed or mutilated and trampled on before Muslim places of worship, or, if they contained precious metals, were melted down and re-used. Some were turned into toilet seats or handed over to butchers to be used as weights. Sacred Hindu texts were defiled or burnt, and cows were slaughtered upon the temple sites so that Hindus could never use them again.

The magnitude of Muslim atrocities in India is so great that I grossly understimate their scope simply by attempting to describe them, particularly in one chapter of one book. By the sword of Islam, an entire civilization was destroyed and the number of dead easily number in the millions over several decades. The value of the booty--'jewels and unbored pearls and rubies, shining like sparks or like wine congealed with ice, and emeralds like fresh sprigs of myrtle, and diamonds in size and weight like pomegranates'[Smith p207]--can never be measured. As a result of [this] fanaticism, thousands of temples which had represented the art of India through a millennium were laid in ruins. We can never know, from looking at India today, what grandeur and beauty she once possessed. [Will Durant] This rich cultural heritage, like the foundations and materials of Hindu temples used to erect Muslim mosques, were highjacked by Islam. Indian mathemeticians conceived algebra and the number zero, which were translated to the Muslim world through its conquests, and then brought to the West through conquest; Islamic civilization now mistakenly receives credit for these innovations. India before Islam was one of the most advanced civilizations of all time.

[KAOSKTRL]

Are we clear now?

[G4-450]

:p ha ha ha LOL

Jihad watch is a Zionist racist website, the Pro Israel religious fanatical are no different then the Neo Nazis where about there Jew hatred,

Zionists are NOT "Jews" anymore then Nazis are not "Christians or Socialists".
This is the same for those who call themselves Egyptians and at the same time Muslims.

They are ignorant Racists who make up 99.9 percent of there stories, you better get out your history books before Hitler's clans suck you into there lies.

Here are some facts about where racism was invented;
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

No wonder you where suckered by Bush.

[G4-450]

Very funny guy

By the way,

The number zero came from the earliest arabs just like the wedding ring came from egypt, not from the muslims in the 9th century,

The number zero was re introduced by arab Hindus aka pakistan area before islam came around, and today all numbers are arabic which took europe about 500 years to accept after literally living in the dark ages, which they keep trying to go back into thanks to greedy leaders who know how to take advantage of the most inbred ignorant ethnic morans who also slept for that long while muslims told them the world was round.

And the above is a fine example of the lies these "jihad watch" web sites feed haters, if you like hatred start with facing your very own enemy with in... cause you have nothing to stand on but that your admitting to been a sore loser like the nazis who rather blamed the world when they cold not live in it while they had the hate disease.

I take it that you think you found peace in blame games?

Here is something you should consider to recognize who is been truthfull in there speech.Men of little or no faith always put down the law and tell better people what to do, in case of refusal they shower insults and injuries, no attention is to be paid to them. it is there way.

[KAOSKTRL]

:p ha ha ha LOL

Jihad watch is a Zionist racist website, the Pro Israel religious fanatical are no different then the Neo Nazis where about there Jew hatred,

Zionists are NOT "Jews" anymore then Nazis are not "Christians or Socialists".
This is the same for those who call themselves Egyptians and at the same time Muslims.

They are ignorant Racists who make up 99.9 percent of there stories, you better get out your history books before Hitler's clans suck you into there lies.

Here are some facts about where racism was invented;
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

No wonder you where suckered by Bush.
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Like I said I knew you would attack JW,
A site that like the drudge report they ,
Collect news and opinion pieces that ask

The Question
If Islam has been jihacked by extremist prove it with scripture ?

Guess what you can't because that is what I set out to prove 3 years ago.

False claims of racism and bigotry are simply not a suffciant answer for the genocide and subjegation coming from the Quran.

Muslims do not get to appropriate any innocence that goes to jews because of hitler and nazism ,
As muslims were fighting shoulder to shoulder
With nazis and were often the them Neimoller was talking about.
Islamic Script proves Islams guilt .


2.216. Jihâd (holy fighting in Allâh's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allâh knows but you do not know.

2.217. They ask you concerning fighting in the Sacred Months (i.e. 1st, 7th, 11th and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar). Say, "Fighting therein is a great (transgression) but a greater (transgression) with Allâh is to prevent mankind from following the Way of Allâh, to disbelieve in Him, to prevent access to Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (at Makkah), and to drive out its inhabitants, and Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And they will never cease fighting you until they turn you back from your religion (Islâmic Monotheism) if they can. And whosoever of you turns back from his religion and dies as a disbeliever, then his deeds will be lost in this life and in the Hereafter, and they will be the dwellers of the Fire. They will abide therein forever."
http://infidels.kafirnation.com/english/surah2.html

Definitions of Tafsir on the Web:

* commentary
Islam.itl.org.uk/ahmadi/glossary.html

* Interpretation. Commentary or exegesis of whole or part of the Qur'an.
www.geocities.com/tatarkirim/islglos.html

* A tafsir (tafsīr تفسير, also transliterated tafseer, Arabic "explanation") is Qur'anic exegesis or commentary. Someone who writes tafsir is a mufassir (mufassir, plural mufassirīn).
En.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tafsir

Find definitions of Tafsir in: English French a

Tafsir Ibn Kathir

http://www.tafsir.com/Default.asp

Shirk is worse than Killing

Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of men, Allah indicated that these men are committing disbelief in Allah, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path, and this is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing. Abu Malik commented about what Allah said:

[وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ]

(And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) Meaning what you (disbelievers) are committing is much worse than killing.'' Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr, `Ikrimah, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak and Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that what Allah said:

[وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ]

(And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) "Shirk (polytheism) is worse than killing.''

[G4-450]

Your first big mistake is inventing arabic definitions, or are you trying to lie your way through?

Jihad means struggle, both inner and outer, the fighting for Allah's cause is ordained in the bible too, with the torah, the same laws in islam called the "Sharia" and called "Tenack" in Hebrew or simply the "Ten Commandments" , they where coded in a way no man could have corrupted them.

Same for the rest, your propagating lies kid. All the laws of the bible are the same laws in the Koran, only nothing was left out at all and clear, read it for yourself before going to racist websites.

Its simple, Muslims picked up where Jews left off worshiping according to them and to jesus, that is so simple but hard to believe for the people in deep sin who claim to be doing what the "Sharia" and called "Tenack" or Ten Commandments so to speak orders them to do, do you do this, if you do not then I would suggest you stay away from the subject cause it proves your legit hypocrite, think about it.

[KAOSKTRL]

Too anyone playing along at home,
Please make noet of all the documentation and scriptural evidance G4-450 uses to refute me
Are his posts attacks on me other people and websites or are they consice arguments that reveal how Isalam has been Hijacked and twistied by extremists?

Noble Qur’an 2:190 Footnote: “Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah’s Word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite.”


The passage itself can be found in two places. It is on page 39 of the Noble Qur’an translation by Muhammad Khan and distributed by “King Fahd Complex for the Printing of the Holy Qur’an—The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques. It is a footnote to Qur’an 2.190 and is designed to explain Jihad according to Allah as this is the first time the word is used.
And it can be found on page 580 of the Islamic University of Medina’s translation of Sahih al-Bukhari’s Hadith. There it opens Bukhari’s Book of Jihad.

In both cases, the Islamic scholars are condensing Allah’s and Muhammad’s teachings on Jihad to a single paragraph.

G$ did you noit get the memo at the bomb factory ?
Your Iman told you , "you cannot defend or promote Islam on the internet any more, the cat is out of the bag ,
islam is a pig in a poke!"

[KAOSKTRL]

Your first big mistake is inventing arabic definitions, or are you trying to lie your way through?

Are you insane?

Jihad means struggle, both inner and outer, the fighting for Allah's cause is ordained in the bible too, with the torah, the same laws in islam called the "Sharia" and called "Tenack" in Hebrew or simply the "Ten Commandments" , they where coded in a way no man could have corrupted them.

I provided the consice defination of the Jihad

Same for the rest, your propagating lies kid. All the laws of the bible are the same laws in the Koran, only nothing was left out at all and clear, read it for yourself before going to racist websites.

Its simple, Muslims picked up where Jews left off worshiping according to them and to jesus, that is so simple but hard to believe for the people in deep sin who claim to be doing what the "Sharia" and called "Tenack" or Ten Commandments so to speak orders them to do, do you do this, if you do not then I would suggest you stay away from the subject cause it proves your legit hypocrite, think about it.

YAK YAK YAK.
Irreleavent and untrue.
funny though
Stay away from the subject ?
Google my user name , roll up your're tent, and move on.
Your finished here.

[KAOSKTRL]

Im going to guess this one was an idiot,

[G4-450]

Too anyone playing along at home,
please make noet of all the documentation and scriptural evidance G4-450 uses to refute me Are his posts attacks on me other people and websites or are they consice arguments that reveal how Isalam has been Hijacked and twistied by extremists?

Noble Qur’an 2:190 Footnote: “Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah’s Word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite.”


The passage itself can be found in two places. It is on page 39 of the Noble Qur’an translation by Muhammad Khan and distributed by “King Fahd Complex for the Printing of the Holy Qur’an—The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques. It is a footnote to Qur’an 2.190 and is designed to explain Jihad according to Allah as this is the first time the word is used.
And it can be found on page 580 of the Islamic University of Medina’s translation of Sahih al-Bukhari’s Hadith. There it opens Bukhari’s Book of Jihad.

In both cases, the Islamic scholars are condensing Allah’s and Muhammad’s teachings on Jihad to a single paragraph.

G$ did you noit get the memo at the bomb factory ?
Your Iman told you , "you cannot defend or promote Islam on the internet any more, the cat is out of the bag , islam is a pig in a poke!"

WHAT :p You're a serious liar, you changed what the Koran said to lie, and your only fooling yourself, I can not imagine what your getting out of fooling yourself from the truth, its like a trap that will snatch your soul sooner or later.

And who are you referring to take note here, your imagionary friends?
And what Imam are you referring to, did you see me going to one?
You have ben making things up and lying all alone.

The "Jihad watch" web site does not tell you that Jihad means struggle in order to be clement, this is within and or against evil ones who attack you out of greed, as in for oil or you homes like pirates.

Jihad does NOT mean fighting as in attacking at all, just struggle. even says to stop if they surrender.

On the other hand, take a note cuase you may need to get away from the people you surrounded yourself with, they are NOT telling you the truth and they are no different from the nazis who also where skitzo paranoid and threw little jewish children into ovens, in fact they are still at large.

Read for yourself,
[2.190] And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. (((((Fight if attacked is what this means and stop when its over))))

[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers. ((((same thing again))))

[2.192] But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors. ((((if they desist, stop! ))))

This means your fighting for a rightious cuase, not for vengeance or attacking, or did you think good people should walk into ovens again lik ein Nazi Germany because they believe in God?

Jesus said; Matt.12 [50] For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven(((means Muslim)))), the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: ALLAH, but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Here is a commandment;
Though Shall Not Kill, --> Unless it is against tyrant Opressors who are blinded by there greed, this is Jihad outwardly in the open, eitherwise you committed the sin of suicide by allowing ones to kill you.

Jihad in the bible, where it comes from;
"Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:17-18)"

Maybe this is where you are confusing Jihad up with.

There is a big difference between Clement of evil people attacking and looting the innocent's land and goods from the clement as in Hitler's racist "New World Order" and "struggle" and "Nimp Kumpf" that the Bush legacy is talking about when they mean ethnic cleansing the world.

Do you agree with standing up and protecting the innocent or do you prefer to surrender to people hostile to you, and throw you out of your home like the nazis did to the jews?

Your just paranoid of ethnicity, period. you need to get out and learn how to live in the world as it is. and accept it that you're a human just like all of us.

As I understand you, you basically;
1--back up the EVIL bad people in your post
AND
2 --you are saying that the good guys should not fight in there defense if attacked..

Again, Of all 3 Abrahamic faiths, Islam waas the first and last and took off where the children of Israel lost to the tribe of Judah.

You lost your argument for literally lying about islam, especially stating that jihad s apillar; the 5 pillars of islam are

1 Shahada, means making a testimony to the one true god of all prophets up until Mohamed, and that there are no other gods but god, the god of abraham,

2 Salat, means prayer

3 ramadan, the holy month of fasting

4 zakat, the tax to the poor

5 hajr, going to mecca

and guess what.! they are not all mandatory, God accepts everything from his believers been that they are sincere in there oaths, not like the people who break them like you, I recommend you change and heal rather then feeding off the xenophobic paranoa.

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Im going to guess i am a idiot skinhead, i like to lie

:p You totally lied and made things up,
Why did you not copy and paste exactly what you wanted to post from the koran rather then adding little tricks to the texts , and you did not prove one single thing but that you are a anti semetic xenophobic nazi hater, get a life will yah :D

EXPOSED long ago

If you have a leg to stand up on then get the truth, cause the only people who swallow your lies are the real idiots, and anyone who does that is not trustworthy like you, and I take it you swallowed Bush's real deeep ?



We know who you voted for,

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There is little to say If you are going to put yourself above Sahih Bukahari and the care takers of the two great mosques as a higher authority of all things Islamic.
You did get one thing right I hate Nazism but even some Nazis were good people.
I having a hard time finding a descent muslims who by the way were allies of Hitler’s.
Here is a nice little Fatwa

Question;
Many muslims priase Hitler for killing jews, shoud they or are they wrong.
Answer;
Islam has ordered us Muslims to fight against the enemies of Islam and not be like the Jew and make other nations fight their wars. We as Muslims may share in Hitlers hatered for the Jews but we cannot praise him for the manner in which he went about killing the jews (if the history books are correct). But rather we as Muslims are governed by the Shariah which prohibit the killing the old and the weak etc.

And Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT.

You can find one of the most respected exegesis of the Quran here
http://www.tafsir.com/Default.asp
And here is a vetted none doctored Quran that I use.
http://infidels.kafirnation.com/english/Default.html
You can obtain an identical copy from http://www.road-to-heaven.com/
And it only gets worse for you from here.

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[2.192] But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors. ((((if they desist, stop! ))))

The is the tasfir on the Verse you are having a fit about, it say's

The Order to fight until there is no more Fitnah

Allah then commanded fighting the disbelievers when He said:

[حَتَّى لاَ تَكُونَ فِتْنَةٌ]

(... until there is no more Fitnah) meaning, Shirk. This is the opinion of Ibn `Abbas, Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ar-Rabi`, Muqatil bin Hayyan, As-Suddi and Zayd bin Aslam.

Allah's statement:

[وَيَكُونَ الدِّينُ للَّهِ]

(... and the religion (all and every kind of worship) is for Allah (Alone).) means, `So that the religion of Allah becomes dominant above all other religions.' It is reported in the Two Sahihs that Abu Musa Al-Ash`ari said: "The Prophet was asked, `O Allah's Messenger! A man fights out of bravery, and another fights to show off, which of them fights in the cause of Allah' The Prophet said:

«مَنْ قَاتَلَ لِتَكُونَ كَلِمَةُ اللهِ هِيَ الْعُلْيا فَهُوَ فِي سَبِيلِ الله»

(He who fights so that Allah's Word is superior, then he fights in Allah's cause.) In addition, it is reported in the Two Sahihs:

«أُمِرْتُ أَنْ أُقَاتِلَ النَّاسَ حَتَّى يَقُولُوا لَا إِلهَ إلَّا اللهُ، فَإِذَا قَالُوهَا عَصَمُوا مِنِّي دِمَاءَهُم وَأَمْوَالَهُمْ إلَّا بِحَقِّهَا وَحِسَابُهُمْ عَلَى الله»

(I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight the people until they proclaim, `None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. Whoever said it, then he will save his life and property from me, except for cases of the law, and their account will be with Allah.)

Allah's statement:

[فَإِنِ انتَهَواْ فَلاَ عُدْوَنَ إِلاَّ عَلَى الظَّـلِمِينَ]

(But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against the wrongdoers.) indicates that, `If they stop their Shirk and fighting the believers, then cease warfare against them. Whoever fights them afterwards will be committing an injustice. Verily aggression can only be started against the unjust.' This is the meaning of Mujahid's statement that only combatants should be fought. Or, the meaning of the Ayah indicates that, `If they abandon their injustice, which is Shirk in this case, then do not start aggression against them afterwards.' The aggression here means retaliating and fighting them, just as Allah said:

[فَمَنِ اعْتَدَى عَلَيْكُمْ فَاعْتَدُواْ عَلَيْهِ بِمِثْلِ مَا اعْتَدَى عَلَيْكُمْ]

(Then whoever transgresses against you, you transgress likewise against him.) (2:194)

Similarly, Allah said:

[وَجَزَآءُ سَيِّئَةٍ سَيِّئَةٌ مِّثْلُهَا]

(The recompense for an evil is an evil like thereof.) (42:40), and:

[وَإِنْ عَاقَبْتُمْ فَعَاقِبُواْ بِمِثْلِ مَا عُوقِبْتُمْ بِهِ]

(And if you punish them, then punish them with the like of that with which you were afflicted. ) (16:126)

`Ikrimah and Qatadah stated, "The unjust person is he who refuses to proclaim, `There is no God worthy of worship except Allah'.''

Under Allah's statement:

[وَقَـتِلُوهُمْ حَتَّى لاَ تَكُونَ فِتْنَةٌ]

(And fight them until there is no more Fitnah) Al-Bukhari recorded that Nafi` said that two men came to Ibn `Umar during the conflict of Ibn Az-Zubayr and said to him, "The people have fallen into shortcomings and you are the son of `Umar and the Prophet's Companion. Hence, what prevents you from going out'' He said, "What prevents me is that Allah has for bidden shedding the blood of my (Muslim) brother.'' They said, "Did not Allah say:

[وَقَـتِلُوهُمْ حَتَّى لاَ تَكُونَ فِتْنَةٌ]

(And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah))'' He said, "We did fight until there was no more Fitnah and the religion became for Allah Alone. You want to fight until there is Fitnah and the religion becomes for other than Allah!''

`Uthman bin Salih added that a man came to Ibn `Umar and asked him, "O Abu `Abdur-Rahman! What made you perform Hajj one year and `Umrah another year and abandon Jihad in the cause of Allah, although you know how much He has encouraged performing it'' He said, "O my nephew! Islam is built on five (pillars): believing in Allah and His Messenger, the five daily prayers, fasting Ramadan, paying the Zakah and performing Hajj (pilgrimage) to the House.'' They said, "O Abu `Abdur-Rahman! Did you not hear what Allah said in His Book:

[وَإِن طَآئِفَتَانِ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ اقْتَتَلُواْ فَأَصْلِحُواْ بَيْنَهُمَا فَإِن بَغَتْ إِحْدَاهُمَا عَلَى الأُخْرَى فَقَـتِلُواْ الَّتِى تَبْغِى حَتَّى تَفِىءَ إِلَى أَمْرِ اللَّهِ]

(And if two parties (or groups) among the believers fall to fighting, then make peace between them both. But if one of them outrages against the other, then fight you (all) against the one that which outrages till it complies with the command of Allah.) (49:9) and:

[وَقَـتِلُوهُمْ حَتَّى لاَ تَكُونَ فِتْنَةٌ]

(And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief))

He said, "That we did during the time of Allah's Messenger when Islam was still weak and (the Muslim) man used to face trials in his religion, such as killing or torture. When Islam became stronger (and apparent), there was no more Fitnah.'' He asked, "What do you say about `Ali and `Uthman'' He said, "As for `Uthman, Allah has forgiven him. However, you hated the fact that Allah had forgiven him! As for `Ali, he is the cousin of Allah's Messenger and his son-in-law.'' He then pointed with his hand, saying, "This is where his house is located (meaning, `so close to the Prophet's house just as `Ali was so close to the Prophet himself').''

[الشَّهْرُ الْحَرَامُ بِالشَّهْرِ الْحَرَامِ وَالْحُرُمَـتُ قِصَاصٌ فَمَنِ اعْتَدَى عَلَيْكُمْ فَاعْتَدُواْ عَلَيْهِ بِمِثْلِ مَا اعْتَدَى عَلَيْكُمْ وَاتَّقُواْ اللَّهَ وَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّ اللَّهَ مَعَ الْمُتَّقِينَ ]

(194. The sacred month is for the sacred month, and for the prohibited things, there is the Law of equality (Qisas). Then whoever transgresses against you, you transgress likewise against him. And fear Allah, and know that Allah is with Al-Muttaqin.)

Next
http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=5035

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Lets take a look at another fatwa whether you believe the Quran is a fraud documenting Mohammed justifying his crimes in the name of allah a rock idol given to his family from the sabians.
Or just lies made up along the way .
Its vercaity or lack their of aside ,
What does it say and what do those things
Look like when put into real life?

Islam Questions & Answers
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Question Reference Number:: 13241
Title: Treatment of prisoners-of-war in Islam

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Question:


How are prisoners of war treated in Islam?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Islam is the religion of mercy and justice; it commands us to call others to the religion of Allaah in a kind and good manner, and to encourage people to enter this great religion.
If some people persist in rejecting the religion of Allaah and stand in the way of ruling by that which Allaah has revealed on earth, or they fight against the call to Allaah, then we give them the choice of three things:

Either they become Muslim; or if they refuse they pay the jizyah (whereby they pay a specified amount to the Muslims in return for being allowed to remain their land, and the Muslims undertake to protect them); or, if they refuse that, there is nothing left but the way which they themselves have chosen, which is fighting and dealing violently with those who have persecuted the Muslims and put obstacles in the path of the Islamic da’wah. In this way the Muslims will gain the upper hand and the enemies will be humiliated; then when we have killed and wounded many of them and gained the upper hand over them,
We may take prisoners and bind a bond firmly on them [cf. Muhammad 47:4], because in that case it is more in tune with the idea of mercy by choice (not because we are afraid of them); at that point war should not continue any longer than is necessary.
War in Islam should not be waged for the sole purpose of shedding blood or seeking vengeance.
If the Muslims capture them and take them to a place that has been prepared for them, they should not harm them or torture them with beatings, depriving them of food and water, leaving them out in the sun or the cold, burning them with fire, or putting covers over their mouths, ears and eyes and putting them in cages like animals.
Rather they should treat them with kindness and mercy, feed them well and encourage them to enter Islam.
Thumaamah ibn Athaal – the leader of Bani Haneefah – was brought (to Madeenah) as a prisoner and tied to one of the pillars of the mosque.
The Messenger(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to him and said, “What do you think, O Thumaamah?” He said, “What I think, O Muhammad, is good.
If you kill me, you will kill one with blood on his hands – i.e., I will deserve to be killed because I have killed Muslims – and if you release me you will release one who will be grateful.
If you want money,then ask, and I will give you whatever you want.” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) left him for three days, and each day he would come and ask him similar questions, and Thumaamah would give similar answers.
After the third day,
He commanded that he should be released. Thumaamah went to a stand of date-palms near the mosque where he bathed (did ghusl), then he came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said, “I bear witness that there is no god except Allaah and I bear witness that Muhammad is the slave of Allaah and His Messenger.”
Then he said: “O Messenger of Allaah, by Allaah there was no one on earth whose face was more hateful to me than yours, but now your face is the most beloved of all faces to me.
By Allaah, there was no religion that was more hateful to me than your religion, but now your religion has become the most beloved of all religions to me.
By Allaah, there was no land more hateful to me than your land, but now your land has become the most beloved to me. Your cavalry captured me when I was on my way to perform ‘Umrah, so what do you think I should do?”
The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) congratulated him, and told him to go for ‘Umrah. When he came to Makkah, someone asked him, “Have you changed your religion?” He said, “No, but I have submitted with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and by Allaah you will not get a grain of wheat from al-Yamaamah unless the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) gives permission.”
Think about this story, may Allaah bless you, and how the kind treatment of Thumaamah led to his embracing Islam, which could not have happened were it not primarily by the grace of Allaah, and also the kind treatment which Thumaamah received.
In the Qur’aan, Allaah says of the righteous (interpretation of the meaning):
“And they give food, in spite of their love for it (or for the love of Him), to the Miskeen (the poor), the orphan, and the captive,
(Saying): ‘We feed you seeking Allaah’s Countenance only. We wish for no reward, nor thanks from you’”
[al-Insaan 76:8-9]
Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “Ibn ‘Abbaas said: in those days their prisoners were mushrikeen; on the day of Badr the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commanded them to be kind to their prisoners, so they used to put them before themselves when it came to food…
Mujaahid said, this refers to the one who is detained, i.e., they would give food to these prisoners even though they themselves desired it and loved it.”
The ruling on tying up prisoners:
It is well known that if prisoners are able to escape they will not hesitate to do so, because they may be afraid of dying and they do not know what awaits them.

Hence the Muslims were commanded to tie up their prisoners and to tie their hands to their necks, lest they run away. This is something that still happens and is well known to all people.

The wisdom behind permitting the taking of prisoners is so as to weaken the enemy and ward off his evil by keeping him away from the battlefield so that he cannot be effective or play any role; it also creates a means of freeing Muslim prisoners by
Trading the prisoners whom we are holding.
Detaining prisoners

Prisoners should be detained until it is decided what is the best move. The ruler of the Muslims should detain prisoners until he decides what is in the Muslims’ best interests.

He may ransom them for money, or exchange them for Muslim prisoners, or release them for nothing in return, or distribute them among the Muslims as slaves, or kill the men, but not the women and children, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade killing the latter.
The purpose behind detaining prisoners is so that the Muslims may be protected from their evil.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to enjoin the Muslims to treat prisoners well, whereas the Romans and those who came before them the Assyrians and Pharaohs, all used to put out their prisoners’ eyes with hot irons, and flay them alive, feeding their skins to dogs, such that the prisoners preferred death to life.

Ahkaam al-Sijn wa’l-Sujana’ wa Mu’aamalat al-Sujana’ fi’l-Islam by Hasan Abi’l-Ghuddah, 256 (www.islam-qa.com)

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even some Nazis were good people.

Now your claiming to be good and take the credit for killing 6 million jews ?

It is illegal for anyone to say what you just said, to claim it was good to place people in ovens, judge them by appearance is denial of the holocaust and countable for imprisonment in many countries, even ISLAMIC ones.

Your clearly another racist nazi who feeds of hatred, you guys are all miserable schizophrenic xenophobes who need lots of help for your disease, its you that has a problem with living in this world with others.

And for your information, on a islamic level, muslims believe people like yourself are cursed for seeking sustanance in anything other then your own creator out of arrogance and then hurting innocent people for yourself hatred.

Islam has ordered us Muslims to fight against the enemies of Islam and not be like the Jew and make other nations fight their wars.

Now you're a muslim? since when... you did not even recognize the 5 pillars of islam, fighting is not even listed... and you also lie allot.

We as Muslims may share in Hitlers hatered for the Jews but we cannot praise him for the manner in which he went about killing the jews .

Who is we?
I have not met one Muslim who backed up Hitler or his racist evil crimes against humanity,

The longest moments of peace in Jerusalem was during the islamic administration. this is because the first Peace treaties where order by ALLAH, and muslims promised to protect those who believed in Allah whether they where Jews, Muslims or christians, and this was a order.
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You can find one of the most respected exegesis of the Quran here.

:D You pointed to allot of places but have not one presented your facts on the table here, it is only your loss to think that you can turn a blind eye on your own lies and keep pretending no one knows what your doing,


It is clear that your not a muslim, and it is clear that your not a trustworthy person at all, no one hijacked islam, if anything Israel hijacked the U.S. of A.

Ariel Sharon:
"We control America"
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.


"Israel controls the United States Senate."
- Sen. William Fulbright

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Sorry People are smart enough to see
How stupid your replies are and how
They do not address the scripture.

Murder and Mayhem are part and parcel of Islam .
Jihad is visiting France.
They are carving out a new Gaza Strip.

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As for peace and equity under Islam it is a myth it never happened Dhimmitude is hatefull oppression
a snip from a two part essay
http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...rticle_id=4467
http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...rticle_id=4470
which is part of a much longer series of essay from this book
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...23076?v=glance

by Andrew Bostom
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...rs.asp?ID=1056

Paroxysms of violent persecution erupted yet again in October-November 923 C.E. according to the patriarch of Alexandria, Sa’id b. Bitriq, as well as two Muslim chroniclers [summarized by Gil]: [63]

…the Muslims attacked…in Jerusalem on Palm Sunday (26 March 937) and set fire to the southern gates of Constantine’s church and to half of the exedra, whereupon the Church of the Calvary and the Church of the Resurrection collapsed…According to al-Makin and al-Maqrizi,

the Church of the Resurrection and the Church of the Calvary were also robbed of their treasures…It seems at the same time the Muslims attacked in Ascalon again. According to Yahya b. Sa’id, the assault was made on ‘the great church there, known by the name of Mary the Green.

They destroyed it and robbed it of all its contents and then set fire to it’…The bishop of Ascalon then left for Baghdad to get permission to rebuild the church, but he did not succeed. The church was left in ruins, for the Muslims who lived in Ascalon agreed amongst themselves that they would not allow it to be built again.

As to the bishop, he never returned to Ascalon and remained in Ramla until his death.

During the early 11th century period of al-Hakim’s reign, religious assaults and hostility intensified. As Gil notes, [64]

…the destruction of the churches at the Holy Sepulchre [1009 C.E.] marked the beginning of a whole series of acts of oppression against the Christian population, which according to reliable sources, extended to coercion to convert to Islam.

Yahya b. Sa’id’s description of the events surrounding the destruction of the Churches of the Holy Sepulchre is summarized by Gil: [65]

They dismantled the Church of the Resurrection to its very foundations, apart from what could not be destroyed or pulled up, and they also destroyed the Golgotha and the Church of St Constantine and all that they contained, as well as the sacred grave stones.

They even tried to dig up the graves and wipe out all traces of their existence. Indeed they broke and uprooted most of them. They also laid waste to a convent in the neighborhood…The authorities took all the other property belonging to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and its pious foundations and all its furnishings and treasures.

Citing both Muslim (al-Quda’i, Ibn Khallikan, and Ibn Al-Athir) and non-Muslim (Bar Hebraeus) sources, Gil also describes the edicts al-Hakim imposed upon the Christians and Jews beginning in August 1011 C.E.: [66]

They were ordered to wear black turbans. The Christians had to wear a cross the length of a cubit and weighing five ratls around their necks around their necks; the Jews were obliged to wear a block of wood of similar weight…they had to wear some distinguishing mark in the bath-houses, and finally al-Hakim decided that there were to be separate bath-houses for their use…Ibn Al-Athir conveys…

that al-Hakim ordered (after the destruction of the Chucrh of the Resurrection in Jerusalem…) that all the churches in the realm be destroyed, and this was done, and that the Jews and Christians were then to accept Islam, or emigrate to Byzantine lands.

They were also obliged to wear special distinguishing signs. Many converted…Bar Hebraeus speaks of thousands of churches which were destroyed in the Fatimid kingdom at that time; the decree regarding the wearing of the cross around the neck was also, he says, a means of pressuring the Christians to convert.

The wooden block the Jews were obliged to wear, had to be in the shape of a calf, as a reminder of the golden calf…

In a separate, focused analysis of the conditions of the dhimmis of Jerusalem, Gil concludes that during the early through the mid 11th century, the Jews suffered both economically and physically: [67] Economic conditions in Jerusalem were rather harsh, and the yeshiva often issued urgent appeals for aid. Besides, there were frequent acts of oppression on the part of the Muslim authorities.

Very often special heavy taxes were imposed, which aggravated the already precarious situation of both the yeshiva and the Jewish population of Jerusalem. It must be remembered that taxation in Jerusalem was probably different from that found in other parts of the Muslim world. It seems that Jews there had to pay a comprehensive lump sum for the whole Jewish population of the city, regardless of its numbers.

When the population decreased as a result of wars and Bedouin upheavals, the burden on each individual became heavier. In such situations the yeshiva was forced to borrow money, against heavy interest, from wealthy Muslims. When the time of repayment arrived, Jewish notables were in danger of being imprisoned, as the yeshiva was not in a position to accumulate the funds it had to return. In some cases people were actually incarcerated and it took a great deal of effort to collect the funds necessary for their release. An example is the letter written by Abraham, the son and main assistant of Solomon b. Yehuda, head of the yeshiva, to the sons of Mevasser, a family of parnasim of Fustat, asking them to keep their promise to send the aid in time to pay the kharaj. Muslim Turcoman rule of Palestine for the nearly three decades just prior to the Crusades (1071-1099 C.E.) was characterized by such unrelenting warfare and devastation, that an imminent “End of Days” atmosphere was engendered. [68]

For example, Gil describes one of Atsiz b. Awaq’s jihad campaigns in Syro-Palestine at around 1077 C.E.: [69] Then Atsiz advanced on Jerusalem from Damascus, placed the city under siege, and promised its inhabitants the aman; on this basis, the inhabitants opened the gates of the city to him. Atsiz prevailed over Jerusalem, completely ignoring his promise of aman, and went on a rampage.

He slaughtered 3,000 people there…He also conducted campaigns of annihilation against Ramla, until all its people had fled, and against Gaza, where he murdered the entire population. He likewise massacred people in al-’Arish and elsewhere and wrought endless havoc in Damascus, where only 3,000 of the original 500,000 inhabitants had remained, due to starvation and scarcity. Jaffa, too, was attacked, and its governor…fled from the town to Tyre, together with all the city’s inhabitants, while the walls of Jaffa were destroyed on Atsiz’ orders. A contemporary Russian chronicle cited by Gil indicates that the Turcomans,

Claims of hatered and bogotry are simply not an answer to the genocide and subjegation in the Quran.
Im sorry you will have to do better than "Im taking the Quran out of context",Im clearly not and I have given you the proof.
and "Im a bigot' those are not good enough arguments

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Sorry People are smart enough to see
how stupid your replies are

like who and what people are you referring too?

Are you calling yourself stupid agan, you are the only one who replied remember :D and your not sticking to the topic.

and how they do not address the scripture.

who's scripture, yours?

Murder and Mayhem are part and parcel of Islam .

Islam means to submit to Peace in arabic, another slap again upside your inbred skinhead, bammm. are you the offspring of siblings or what?. And don't blame me for your own remarks when all you had to do was make the effort figure that out yourself before opening your mouth, your only feeding your own fire wood now.

So maybe your referring to what you want to "THINK" it means because you listen to those nazis who are actually "inbred morons" you call nice people who feed you fear and control your freedom by breeding you inside a terror dome.

Jihad is visiting France.

:p oooh, I am scared, did you notice that the people rioting in france where NOT muslims at all too, anyone you know there egghead?

They are carving out a new Gaza Strip.

Yeah those Israelis today are indeed doing what your saying, they only broke there treaties and UN resolutions over 650+ times and yet no one even addressed that they are the threat to world peace.

They even launched a site called "Jihad Watch" to create a smokescreen for there propaganda machine in order cover it all up, but there Prime Minister already let the cat out of the bag.


- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.

Ariel Sharon:

"We control America"

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."

This was publicly said of several times, not only once.