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    #21

    Jul 30, 2007, 08:41 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by startover22
    No fun stonewilder....
    Personally I don't agree with gossip either. It starts rumors, it starts hate and can start fights between friends.

    You may think it is fun Start, but do you have any idea what I am having to go through on this site right now because of gossip?

    Go have your fun.
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    #22

    Jul 31, 2007, 06:13 AM
    You may be disappointed, but that is exactly why I choose not to participate in gossip in any way shape or form.

    Gossip hurts people, gossip is not kind. Gossip in my book is a very low blow in and of itself.

    People may think it funny to gossip about the celebs, but they are people with feelings too. Tabloids blow things out of proportion.

    Celebs or not, we are all people and gossip should not be a part of our lives In my opinion.
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    #23

    Jul 31, 2007, 07:39 AM
    WEll my grandmom always says,People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones and another favorite is... It all comes out in the wash...

    Oh yeah, you are who you hang with.

    I think everyone is guilty of some form of gossip, me included.
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    Jul 31, 2007, 07:42 AM
    It's true. I haven't met one person who has never gossiped. And I'm totally guilty of being a gossip queen in emelentary school:p I told EVEYRONE about Dallas and how he wrote poetry under the tree in front of his house..... There it goes again:D
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    Jul 31, 2007, 07:42 AM
    I agree with you Shattered. There was some gossip going around my school last fall. It was terrible and ruined some potential careers. After that I chose not to participate in gossip.

    Gossip can be very painful and hurtful for those involved as gossip usually contains half-truths and sometimes out and out lies. I just choose to stay away from it.
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    #26

    Jul 31, 2007, 09:03 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by J_9
    I agree with you Shattered. There was some gossip going around my school last fall. It was terrible and ruined some potential careers. After that I chose not to participate in gossip.

    Gossip can be very painful and hurtful for those involved as gossip usually contains half-truths and sometimes out and out lies. I just choose to stay away from it.
    You are right J-9, it can hurt more than just feelings. Sorry for your experience. Hugs to you!
    Canada, I haven't met one person that hasn't had some gossip come out of their mouths either.
    Shattered, I have to say your grandmom was right. I don't agree with the thing about who you hang with though. I know people and I am not them.
    Ok, good enough, I quit! I will be good as I said a few posts back. Hugs, Start
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    #27

    Jul 31, 2007, 09:54 AM
    Start, YOu are good, what the heck!! Listen we all are human and we live and learn. My grandmom used that saying more when I was growing up. (I think she actually said, show me your friends and I will show you who you are.) Well, During your teenage years it definitely rings true most of the time. Well it did for me anyway. Now, I think and act for myself, regardless of what my friends do.
    Canada and J-9, I don't think people always realize the consequences of their actions. I know sometimes I say things before I think. I have learned that in the workplace and with friends, it is better to try and respond in an appropriate manner even when you are tempted to say something otherwise. I have done my share of gossiping and people have gossiped about me. Either way it hurts someone. I also know how angry I get when people hurt me or talk about me when I have done nothing but try to be kind and helpful. Well what I have learned is that two wrongs don't make a right. Every time we make a mistake or say something about someone, we get another chance to make it right. Then the next time we refrain or respond differently.
    Life is also about learning lessons. We all have feelings and want to express them. Not all of them may be appropriate but if we acknowledge our failings, we can try to be a better person and accept ourselves and others for theirs. I know I am a bit of a hot head when I get attacked and then I respond with anger. It isn't something I am proud of. BUT I don't go around making up lies or hurting people intentionally because it makes me feel better or more powerful. Sometimes I want to express how I feel about someone in the moment and maybe that is gossiping, so I am guilty about that. However, I will also say whatever I feel to whoever wants to know, so I am not secretive or vindictive in that way.
    ULTIMATELY,
    Life is too short to be angry, hold grudges or to be judgmental. I accept me for who I am and all of you for who you are. We are all here to help others and to help ourselves. Lets just try to remember the intention of why we started using this site. I am going to try every day to be a better person. Some days I will do great and others I will fall flat on my face. Hopefully you can see past my failings to see my heart and who I really am.
    Peace to all who read this.
    Continue sharing because this allows all of us to learn from each other...
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    #28

    Jul 31, 2007, 10:15 AM
    Gossip isn't about you, it's about the person you're talking about. You can say what you want about yourself, after all.

    It's gossip when it's true but it's something the person doesn't want spread around. That's a violation of trust. And being a jerk.

    It's gossip when it's false. That's just malicious. Which is, of course, being a jerk.

    It's gossip when it's partial truth... passing along part of the truth, leaving blanks that imply something troublesome. That's just manipulative. Which, as you can probably guess, is being a jerk.

    It's gossip when you're just parroting what somebody else told you. You don't know, but you're more than happy to spread it around. That's just being a gossip. And, well, that's being a jerk.

    Gossip leads to people being hurt by lies told about them. It leads to people being hurt by trust being violated. It leads to people being hurt because something private about them has been made public. It leads to friendships being broken because of misunderstandings.

    You're entertained by gossip. Which means you're entertained by people getting hurt. And that just makes you a bad person.
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    #29

    Jul 31, 2007, 10:21 AM
    Gossip only causes trouble, and it causes people to not like you. If you are a known gossip, nobody is ever going to tell you anything. Its funny though, I don't ever gossip about people, but people LOVE to gossip about me. Oh well, I don't let it bother me. I really don't care what outside people think of me, its only my family's thoughts that count.
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    Jul 31, 2007, 10:21 AM
    I agree, gossip is wrong and hurtful. Everyone has feelings and in my opinion it is up to the specific person to tell if they want to. We all love a soap opera, but when it drifts into real life, its crossing the lines. I don't take anything I hear seriously until I am shown proof, or hear it from the horses mouth. I have seen first hand what gossip can do to people, and it is never pretty. When it comes to celebrities, don't you wonder why those poor people are driven to lives of alcoholism and drug use, divorce and pain? They are normal people with abnormal amounts of stress and publicity... sure they signed up for it, but they didn't sign up for the gossip... but you know the media... gotta make a buck.
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    #31

    Jul 31, 2007, 10:21 AM
    You are right Nos, completely right. No matter how you put it. It is wrong! Thanks.
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    #32

    Jul 31, 2007, 10:57 AM
    I think we all agree that gossip can be hurtful and it is wrong to say things that are untrue, partially true, or supposed to be kept secret.

    HOWEVER,
    I do not agree with the statement of listening to gossip about people/celebrities makes you a BAD person. I just don't. What you do with gossip may be ill intentioned or hurtful, but what constitutes a bad person? Watching the news and hearing about a celebrity driving drunk when they are multi millionaires and have drivers to tote them around? I don't think that is really fair. PEople hear things, watch stuff on t.v. or read the newspapers or magazines and they take it all in. WHAT they do with it is more important. If you spend your life spreading rumors, lies and distorted truths, then that demonstrates bad character. Making the wrong choice to say something to someone that shouldn't have known, but needed to, demonstrates a lack of judgment. It doesn't make someone good or bad. I guess that specific reference just bothers me.
    Gossip has everything to do with you, as well as with those that you are gossiping about. IT shows what matters to you, how you spend your time, and what values you hold dear.
    IF everyone wasn't affected by it, or guilty of it, we wouldn't be talking about it on here.

    Celebrities are pampered, spoiled, self indulged and live in an unrealistic ideal of what they think their lives should be like. I don't wish fame or fortune on either of my kids. IT is a deal with the devil to think you can have everything and not pay the price for it. Those that engage in addictive, self destructive habits are unable to handle the life that they wanted and created. I do not have pity for them.

    I do have pity for those celebrities who are targeted and exploited for monetary gain of some crazy stalker paparazzi.

    So, more importantly we should recognize that glamorizing their lives and ripping apart their personal indiscretions is hurtful and causes unnecessary damage to many. So, not engaging in the same behavior is wise and helps to deflate the excitement and allure of their lives.

    WE are all a work in progress..
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    #33

    Jul 31, 2007, 11:06 AM
    Interesting point on the celebs my brother in law is a journo and obviously he makes a living out of there lives and gossip and it feeds him and his family.
    But I don't agree with they statement that they wanted are created the lives they lead quite a few were born into it with no choice.
    So basically guess I'm saying it's a job weather you are the reporter giving the public eye the gossip they crave or weather you are a celeb just doing your job also just remember it's the public that demand the information.
    Its supply and demand.
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    #34

    Jul 31, 2007, 11:45 AM
    I wasn't meaning anything against reporters, I more or so meant the more shady media, there are a fair share of paparazzi out there that simply try their hardest to find the worst dirt possible. I understand they need to live as well, but it would be better to do it in a more humane fashion than a lot of them do.

    Besides, I am not in favor of the celebs that abuse their power and get into trouble, but there are many out there who are just hard working people, and they give back as much as they can. Many of those people really had to work to get to where they are. I was mainly trying to say that I try not to judge people whom I have not met, until I know their story, and the true story at that.
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    #35

    Jul 31, 2007, 12:05 PM
    Again, there is no black or white in this picture and a whole lotta grey! NO, not all celebs are anything, as all people are not anything. I was responding to the ones that they were referring to on here. People who abuse their status, power, money and then cry when they are exploited.
    YEs, there are some wonderful things that can be accomplished with money, fame and power. However, many times people usurp their power for their own good, and not the good of mankind. How many millions do you really need to survive comfortably? How many homes and fancy cars do you need to buy? If they want to use their celebrity status to make the world a better place, by all means, I am for it. If they want to complain when people take their picture and they have to pay for that speeding ticket or fine, like everyone else, tough! Deal with it. You know what I am saying? It is only the few who use their lives effectively for the benefit of mankind, or the environment. Then there are the masses who can never have enough, who cry when they actually have consequences for their actions, who take free clothes, jewelry and electronics just because they can. WHAT about giving all that stuff away?? Why not sell one of their multi million dollar mansions and feed an entire country or buy up the rainforests so they don't disappear? Now I recognize that many people work hard to get where they are, its what they do when they get there that I am talking about.
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    #36

    Jul 31, 2007, 12:10 PM
    OMGosh Shattered, I was just telling my friend that I felt uncomfortable with all of my nice things, even if I did work hard for them, I know someone else could have a bigger smile on their face if thye had them instead. That make any sense?
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    #37

    Jul 31, 2007, 12:14 PM
    YEs, it does. But you give of yourself everyday to those around you. Giving someone food, temporary. Giving someone money, doesn't require any effor or energy.

    Giving of yourself and unconditional love, PRICELESS!!


    You make people smile everyday. That counts for something Being mindful of how to be helpful and giving is half the battle. You have already got that down pat...
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    #38

    Jul 31, 2007, 01:04 PM
    Gossip is something we can all learn and grow from. (the good growing) Glad this question was posted. I won't go on, I feel a little sappy...
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    #39

    Jul 31, 2007, 01:10 PM
    Well I think that is the point, you learn you grow, you stumble and fall, then you get up and learn to walk. Two steps forward, three steps back.

    I think that is what the HOKEY POKEY IS ALL ABOUT! LOL

    Lighten up start, we love you girl...
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    Jul 31, 2007, 02:06 PM
    Did you hear who got busted for being a peeping Tom?!

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