[Starman]

Starman: an oxymoron is a christian scientist, a conflictiog situation, what do you think. :confused:

I think an evolutionist scientist fits that description since they ignore basic scientific principles when it suits them, discard evidence when it doesn't fit their precious ideas, all of which is blatantly anti-scientific.

[Freethinka]

Not exactly....as i said in my other reply, It says in the Bible that God also created science.
I really do not think it says anywhere in the Bible that God doesn't want us to believe in science altogether. Because he created it. Don't you think that if he hadn't then many people would die of all those mortal diseases, I don't think God wants that.
Yet, taking it all the way back to Adam and Eve, remember, they disobeyed God. The world was perfect before that happened. Remember it says that the serpent offered them "knowledge?" To know "Good from bad?" Remember it says that the serpent/satan is always misleading? That it's actions seem like it's the right thing but it's just dressed up.
Anyway when Adam and Eve decided to take the serpent's offer, God punished them. Yeah they acquired "knowledge" but just take a look at how we're using it now. Now we use the science that God created for something evil. Such as weapons and all sorts of things that damage this world and God's people. Which it is the price to pay for that initial disobedience. Since then, satan has been controlling our actions. And what Jesus was and still is trying to do, is save us from what we ourselves put us into.

:p "Onward christian soldiers marching on to war, with the cross of JC movin on the fore":p

[Capuchin]

I think an evolutionist scientist fits that description since they ignore basic scientific principles when it suits them, discard evidence when it doesn't fit their precious ideas, all of which is blatantly anti-scientific.

Please elaborate on this evidence and these principles which are ignored.

[Starman]

:p "Onward christian soldiers marching on to war, with the cross of JC movin on the fore":p

What you are describing is well-meaning but misguided apostasy from the clear Christian behavioral requirements found in the NT. I know it's popular to do so these days but the Bible doesn't support the idea of calling people who might be behaving satanically Christians.

Matthew 7:20 "Wherefore, by their fruits ye shall know them"...

[firmbeliever]

You do not need faith to know the sun is going to rise tomorrow. It is a scientific fact that the sun is going to rise tomorrow, unless something catastrophic happens in the next few hours, which I doubt will happen.

Hubble images of dying stars force cosmic reconsideration

December 17, 1997
Web posted at: 5:51 p.m. EST (2251 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- New data gathered by NASA's Hubble Space Telescope reveal that sun-like stars are dying in a much more spectacular way than previously assumed, forcing scientists to rethink their theories on the process.

The images also cast new light on the final moments of our own sun, which is expected to die about 5 billion years from now.

Astronomers on Wednesday revealed pictures showing surprisingly intricate glowing patterns spun into space by dying stars. The shapes are reminiscent of pinwheels, lawn sprinkler-style jets, elegant goblet shapes, and rocket engine exhausts.

The new pictures show the dying stars emitting nebulous gasses in what scientists have dubbed a "final blaze of glory" as a star expands before burning out and becoming what is known as a white dwarf.

Scientists say that the new Hubble pictures completely overturn the current assumption that sun-like stars gracefully cast off a shell of glowing gas and then settle into a long retirement as a burned-out white dwarf.

"The first time we looked at the Hubble's breathtaking pictures, we knew that our older and simpler ideas of how these objects are formed had to be overhauled," said Howard Bond of the Space Telescope Science Institute.

Scientists point out that while the data are predominantly about stars dying, they are also about cosmic rebirth, since the heavier elements (like carbon) cooked in the stars are ejected into interstellar space as raw material for successive generations of stars, planets and, potentially, life.

Among the surprising new details revealed by the Hubble pictures:
Unexplained disks and "donuts" of dust girdling a star, which pinch outflowing gas.
Remarkably sharp, inner bubbles of glowing gas blown out by the violently outflowing gasses. This is called a "fast wind" (1,000 miles/sec) ejected during the final stages of a star's death.
Jets of high-speed particles that shoot out in opposite directions from a star and plow through surrounding gas, like a garden hose stream hitting a sand pile.
Pinwheel patterns formed by symmetrical ejection of material so that intricate structures are mirrored on the opposite side of a star.

This photo compares a ground-based image (L) taken under optimum conditions with a new image from Hubble

Bond said that these nebulae depicted in the new Hubble pictures also give a preview of our own sun's fate: "Some 5 billion years from now, after the sun has become a red giant and burned the Earth to cinder, it will eject its own beautiful nebula and then fade away as a white dwarf star."

Please follow this link for the pictures-
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9712/17/nasa.hubble/

[speechlesstx]

Self_inflicted_hell , you are on the right track. The questions should be continued to be asked to unveil the beast...


This is getting scarey.

Ain't nothing wrong with asking questions, but it strikes me that you aren't really that interested in the answers to those questions. I can no more prove to you that Jesus lives than you can prove that "In the very beginning there was nothing except for a plasma soup." I can only testify of my experience, that once I was blind, but now I see. That's how I know Jesus lives, and it's the only way you'll know He lives - by believing, accepting and experiencing the transformation that comes with faith in Christ. Nothing scary about that, it's just how it is.

Steve

[otto186]

The images also cast new light on the final moments of our own sun, which is expected to die about 5 billion years from now.

You just proved MY point. In the article you copied and pasted our sun is expected to last another 5 billion years. So again I say, it is a scientific fact that the sun will rise again.

[firmbeliever]

You just proved MY point. In the article you copied and pasted our sun is expected to last another 5 billion years. So again I say, it is a scientific fact that the sun will rise again.

LOL! Wasn't my intention, but glad to have been of help.
Just something I found on the net and thought it was relevant to your point.
But I must say this, scientists also did not think that global warming will affect as it is affecting today, they were thinking of a few 50 to 100 years down the line... so who knows what these scientific facts will continue to prove.

It does say that the sun may last 5 billion years, but the scientists do predict its death, so our children's great grand children might be the one's waking up to a sunless world... maybe not you or I.

Just a thought!!

[otto186]

LOL! wasnt my intention, but glad to have been of help.
just something I found on the net and thought it was relevant to your point.
But I must say this, scientists also did not think that global warming will affect as it is affecting today, they were thinking of a few 50 to 100 years down the line...so who knows what these scientific facts will continue to prove.

It does say that the sun may last 5 billion years, but the scientists do predict its death, so our childrens great grand children might be the one's waking up to a sunless world.....maybe not you or I.

Just a thought!!!

Thank you for that info! :)

[METERRE]

Here's just a thought. There are Christian soldiers in the war in Iraq. As you must know all those middle east countries do not believe in the Christian Bible or Jesus. Perhaps some of those soldiers might be trying to spread God's word?? Any comments or corrections on this?

[otto186]

Here's just a thought. There are Christian soldiers in the war in Iraq. As you must know all those middle east countries do not believe in the Christian Bible or Jesus. Perhaps some of those soldiers might be trying to spread God's word??? Any comments or corrections on this??

I have been overseas. I fought in Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom. I also participated in the Battle of Fallujah in 2004. My experience, they are just as hard headed there as we are here. They have no problem having a conversaion about differences, or if you're just curious and want to learn. But just like with Christianity, there is no other God before their own, Allah.

[firmbeliever]

I have been overseas. I fought in Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom. I also participated in the Battle of Fallujah in 2004. My experience, they are just as hard headed there as we are here. They have no problem having a conversaion about differences, or if you're just curious and want to learn. But just like with Christianity, there is no other God before their own, Allah.

I think for muslims the difference to other religions is that we already believe that Moses,Noah,Jesus etc are special/beloved in the sight of Allah, and believe they are among our messengers, hence they are not too keen on accepting them as Gods/demi gods.

Another thing is specially when people are defending their very own lives,their families it must be hard enough keeping faith or it could be Only faith that keeps them going.

Did you really fight in the war, must have seen things that are harsh and cruel.




:) :)

[firmbeliever]

I have been overseas. I fought in Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom. I also participated in the Battle of Fallujah in 2004. My experience, they are just as hard headed there as we are here. They have no problem having a conversaion about differences, or if you're just curious and want to learn. But just like with Christianity, there is no other God before their own, Allah.

I think for muslims the difference to other religions is that we already believe that Moses,Noah,Jesus etc are special/beloved in the sight of Allah, and believe they are among our messengers, hence they are not too keen on accepting them as Gods/demi gods.

Another thing is specially when people are defending their very own lives,their families it must be hard enough keeping faith or it could be Only faith that keeps them going.

Did you really fight in the war, must have seen things that are harsh and cruel.




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Sorry about the repetition,something went wrong here..

[cal823]

Why do we need proof of jesus? Other than our own personal proofs.
Faith!
I have seen people I trust and admire, who are rational people, who would never lie to me, tell me face to face, that jesus exists, that they have felt gods touch, and that is enough to me.
I walk into a room, our church, and see so many people that I have grown to trust and admire in one place.
Are there like 50 people, in one place, who you would trust with your life? Who all believe the same thing?

[METERRE]

I've gone to catholic churches all throughout my life because my parents took me, the sad thing is that I can tell just by looking at a glance around the room, that at least 60% of the people there don't quite have anything to be doing there. Not trying to offend them in any way but I think it's the truth. I mean, women fixing their hair, scolding their restless children, guys looking at girls. Minds wandering off, chatter, in shorter words, their mind and soul aren't focused on the point of being there. So I guess what I'm saying is, I haven't seen 50 people at once in which I would ever trust with my life.

[Mario3]

Here's just a thought. There are Christian soldiers in the war in Iraq. As you must know all those middle east countries do not believe in the Christian Bible or Jesus. Perhaps some of those soldiers might be trying to spread God's word??? Any comments or corrections on this??

Well you must be really dumb because Jesus was middleastern. 30 percent of palestinians are christian. 50 percent of lebanon is christian you idiot. Their prince is christian. Look this up... why would you take this away from them? The bells go off on sundays in Iran for Churches. You need to meet more middle eastern people. I can't believe this post thinks everyone in the middle east does not believe in Jesus? Muslims even believe in JEsus! Their holy book talks about MAry for an entire chapter. Go to your local book store and read on this...

[otto186]

Well you must be really dumb because Jesus was middleastern. 30 percent of palestinians are christian. 50 percent of lebanon is christian you idiot. Their prince is christian. Look this up...why would you take this away from them? The bells go off on sundays in Iran for Churches. You need to meet more middle eastern people. I can't believe this post thinks everyone in the middle east does not believe in Jesus? Muslims even believe in JEsus! Their holy book talks about MAry for an entire chapter. Go to your local book store and read on this...

If you are going to post something, please research before you post. Lebanon is only 39% Christian, and 60% Muslim. The U.A.E. (which is where I was deployed to) is 96% Muslim.

You were right on one part, they do believe in Jesus, but only as a messenger to mankind. The God of Gods in the Muslim religion is Allah.

You were way off point. METERRE was referring to Americans spreading the word of God. He/she (sorry I'm not sure) never said anything about taking anything away from them. You owe this person an apology, and do everyone a favor and read posts more carefully before responding.

[METERRE]

Once again I must clarify myself. I do know that there are Christians in those countries, but what I had in mind was that they don't believe in Jesus like we do. As in the Son of God, just like someone else stated. I never said I thought everyone in those countries don't believe in God or Jesus. And of course I know that no matter in what language you say God, he's still considered the same being. Excuse me for my confusing posts.
And who doesn't know that Jesus was from one of those countries? It's so not my intention to take anything away from them. Sorry if in any way I offended anyone.
Let me tell you something mario3, calling someone an idiot right off the bat says a lot more about you, than it really does about the other person. Before you judge someone just take a look at yourself first.
And just to pinpoint something my post was just a simple suggestion which I asked for correction, I mean, no one has all the answers. But really thanks anyway for your info.

[otto186]

Otto, I meant to disagree with you. Allah just means God in another language. Also, Jesus is the Messiah (the Muslim text says this). He is a dear prophet of God, but he is not considered a birth child of God.

This is the information I was looking at : Islam Guide: What Do Muslims Believe about Jesus?

If its wrong, I apologize. But it says here that Jesus was a messenger, it never says prophet. If messenger and prophet are the same thing, well it looks like I learned something new.

[firmbeliever]

This is the information I was looking at : Islam Guide: What Do Muslims Believe about Jesus?

If its wrong, I apologize. But it says here that Jesus was a messenger, it never says prophet. If messenger and prophet are the same thing, well it looks like i learned something new.

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" Behold! Allah took the covenant of the prophets, saying: "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you a messenger, confirming what is with you; do ye believe in him and render him help." Allah said: "Do ye agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said: "We agree." He said: "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."

Excerpts from the following link-

http://www.quran-islam.org/113.html

"Verse 3:81, among many other verses, provides the definitions of "Nabi" (Prophet) and "Rasoul" (Messenger). Thus, "Nabi" is a messenger of God who delivers a new scripture, while "Rasoul" is a messenger commissioned by God to confirm existing scripture; he does not bring a new scripture. According to the Quran, every "Nabi" is a "Rasoul," but not every "Rasoul" is a "Nabi." It is not logical that God will give a scripture to a prophet, then ask him to keep it exclusively for himself, as stated by some Muslim "scholars" (2:42, 146, 159).

The Quranic definition of Prophet, and how all the prophets were given Scripture to deliver, is also confirmed in the following verse:

"The people used to be one community when God sent THE PROPHETS as bearers of good news, as well as warners. HE SENT DOWN WITH THEM THE SCRIPTURE, bearing the truth, to judge among the people in their disputes" 2:213

"In other terms ALL THE PROPHETS are MESSENGERS, but NOT ALL the MESSENGERS are PROPHETS."

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Hope the above is helpful... :) :)