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    Jun 15, 2007, 09:20 PM
    Love, animals & christianity
    What is the christian view towards birds animals and nature. Soul of christianity is love, so killing animals for even eating purpose is against , love , that christianity up holds-
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    Jun 15, 2007, 09:40 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by cassini
    what is the christian view towards birds animals and nature. soul of christianity is love, so killing animals for even eating purpose is against , love , that christianity up holds-
    Man was given dominion over the earth and the fullness thereof. For the student of the Old Testament, God made it clear that there were "clean" animals that were designed for our digestion and "unclean" animals that we were not designed by God for nutritional purposes.

    Mankind has hunted for survival for centuries upon centuries. There have been times in history where man didn't use good judgment and almost caused animals to go extinct (buffalo comes to mind). However, controlled hunts are actually good for the wild game population.

    I haven't hunted or fished in several years but I'm not opposed to it. I do love animals. I love God's creation. I watch the squirrels and birds around my house quite often. There's a neighbor's cat that comes over to visit almost daily (probably because I give her tidbits of goodies from time to time). I even enjoy watching ants run around carrying things or looking for things. I find them very interesting.

    I admit, I like my steak and hamburger and beef hotdogs. I like turkey and chicken sandwiches. We have lots of meat in our freezer.
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    Jun 15, 2007, 09:57 PM
    No it is not against love, animals have no souls. I stopped hunting years ago myself, but in my circle when watching "Bambi" everyone knows how many point buck the father was and will say good shot, not cry.
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    Jun 15, 2007, 11:38 PM
    Old centuries also had witnessed complete vegeterianism in india and south asia because of buddhist and hindu influence . Hinduism and buddhism banned meat and fish in eating, only allows vegetarian food. Human body language is suitable for only vegetarian food according to scientific experts
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    Jun 15, 2007, 11:38 PM
    God is love and yet after the Flood He gave mankind permission to use animals as food to in order to sustain human life. However, that is not the way it was to be before the fall. Perfect sinless humans as well as animals were intended to be vegetarians.

    Gnesis 1:
    29And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. 30And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so. 31And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day. EVS


    The restoration of all things will eliminate predation:


    Isaiah 65:25
    The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD. KJV

    So eating of meat is a temporary situation both for animals and mankind.
    It seems likely that God will modify the digestive system of such predators so they can survive on such a diet.

    Here is an interesting essay on the subject:
    BibleGateway.com - Keyword Search: animals serve as food
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    Jun 16, 2007, 06:24 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by cassini
    old centuries also had witnessed complete vegeterianism in india and south asia because of buddhist and hindu influence . hinduism and buddhism banned meat and fish in eating, only allows vegetarian food. human body language is suitable for only vegetarian food according to scientific experts
    Actually, I have a survival book where the author states that red meat is the most nutritionally diverse food there is. I think bananas were another all around good food. I've known Buddhists who ate raw fish (sushi) and the private parts of tigers for sexual enhancement. No thanks, I'll stick to a nice, juicy hamburger with mustard, mayo, and catsup.
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    Jun 16, 2007, 06:28 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Starman
    God is love and yet after the Flood He gave mankind permission to use animals as food to in order to sustain human life. However, that is not the way it was to be before the fall. Perfect sinless humans as well as animals were intended to be vegetarians.
    Gnesis 1:
    29And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. 30And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so. 31And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day. EVS
    The restoration of all things will eliminate predation:
    Isaiah 65:25
    The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD. KJV
    So eating of meat is a temporary situation both for animals and mankind.
    It seems likely that God will modify the digestive system of such predators so they can survive on such a diet.
    Here is an interesting essay on the subject:
    BibleGateway.com - Keyword Search: animals serve as food
    Excellent post. I tried to rate but couldn't. I fully believe that the world was perfect at one time and that it will be again. All will be restored to God's original design.
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    Jun 16, 2007, 07:30 AM
    Meat all of them are nutritionaly, no doubt , but FIBERS that is contain only in fruits and vegetables. Look the human body nature, especially teeth , its form is to be made only for vegetable contain food. But the same time lion, tiger, cat these animals teeth be made for non vege purpose
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    Jun 16, 2007, 07:42 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by cassini
    meat all of them are nutritionaly, no doubt , but FIBERS that is contain only in fruits and vegetables. look the human body nature, especially teeth , its form is to be made only for vegetable contain food. but the same time lion, tiger, cat these animals teeth be made for non vege purpose
    Vegetables and fruits are certainly good for mankind. Some animals are carnivores (meat eaters only), some are herbivores (vegetable eaters only) and some are omnivores (meat and vegetable eaters). Man falls in the "omnivore" category. We have teeth designed to eat both meat and vegetables.
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    Jun 16, 2007, 10:12 PM
    As long as you eat what you hunt , I can't see anything wrong with it.
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    Jun 17, 2007, 12:14 AM
    An additional sense we need to be for understanding about pain and suffering of animals which going to the dining room
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    Jun 17, 2007, 05:26 AM
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    As long as you eat what you hunt , i can't see anything wrong with it.
    Now I do agree with that. I don't believe in just hunting for sport alone. If you are going to hunt, make use of whatever you kill. That's one of the reasons I stopped hunting because a lot of work goes into cleaning and butchering the game. I don't know how many hunters have had to drag a deer through the woods anywhere from a hundred yards to a mile but I tell you, it takes a lot of work and my body can't take it much anymore. I just shoot at targets now.
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    Jun 17, 2007, 05:29 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by cassini
    an additional sense we need to be for understanding about pain and suffering of animals which going to the dining room
    In most cases, animals are humanely killed but, unfortunately, that's not always the case I am sure. Like you, I don't like to see any living thing suffer. However, once the animal is dead whether it suffered or not, there is no sense in allowing the meat to go to waste.
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    Jun 17, 2007, 05:54 AM
    Pain and suffering for animals which go to the dining room. I still have fresh memories of fall butchering and one shot to the head. I don't mean to offend anyone by that, but the kills were swift. Even the chickens - one whack and it was over with. We raised what we ate and ate what we raised. There was no needless, endless, random acts of slaughter going on.

    I think you have your definitions mixed up about Christian love. Christ said we are to love our neighbor as ourselves. Man was given the birds and animals for food. I don't consider a chicken my neighbor, nor do I consider the cow in the corral my neighbor.

    There is more than one kind of love. You can do a web search and come up as many as nine kinds of love - but they deal with people to people relationships. Mankind (generally speaking, not sexist) is to be the caretaker of the Earth. I agree on that. We are called to respect the creations of the Earth, yes. But there is no law that states we cannot eat meat or fish or fowl. Look in the New Testament. It was given to us all.

    I respect your choice to remain a vegetarian. I would not make fun of you for that.

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