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Father Chuck..
My hats off to you, that was an excellent analogy and a well thought out and objective response. You are absolutely correct, it IS absolutely scary to find the right director! It certainly was for me. I researched the product and the opportunity, then finding the right group and the right director (both honest, ethical and right for ME) was very difficult if not daunting and well termed "scary". But you are right.. when looking at Ford dealerships for example- there are some better then others. Some people have had horrible experiences and term all Fords lemons- other people are in the middle and don't care either way Ford or not and others are die hard loyal to that auto manufacturer. BUT- they still have a "favourite" dealership and maybe even service manager or floor salesman. I use that analogy, it comes to mind as I am a loyal Ford girl! LOVE my FORD but I've had some worse then awful experiences at a Ford dealership in the past. Honestly- I did my research here. I joined the CSG because I could not find anything negative about them on or offline that was verifyable and objective. I had to look HARD to find anything bad at all- and when I analyzed it and tore it apart- it was obvious the point of view of the author, not factual and had obvious holes. SO- in my experience- I can say that if someone is seriously considering coastal and stumbles upon the CSG they are fortunate, because that group under the Coastal Vacations umbrella does have very high ethical standards for conduct to be a member. They will get a director who meets those standards. The trick then is, getting a director whose teaching and mentoring style fits with them. Which is why I am here- and trying to help. I am fully aware that if people ask these questions they are ALREADY going to be working with someone else, and I have nothing to gain- save the pleasure in doing a good turn for someone else who now is where I once was. Cheers Jani Teeter L3 Director, CSG |
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 Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Then people, in the business like myself who are out to help answer peoples questions and know how to Google the search term "coastal vacations" find their post and answer it. I'm often still researching my business online for my own reasons- just to see what is going on, what is being said (good and bad). I see that as GOOD BUSINESS. One just can't lark off and not keep their finger on the pulse! Person starting the thread never makes another post save to pump the group. Gee, to me that means that either they got their answer and got turned off by either mis-information or found the answer did not meet with their needs (which is great because no ones time or money got wasted) OR they got their answer, started their business and now are delighted to "pump" the group because they are very happy with the result! I've seen many references on this thread to this "secret set up" plan that you are referring to. Now really, do you think I'm that silly, that unethical and have time to figure out where to go and post for no good reason? Can you consider for one second that you are not the only person around who knows how to use a search engine, and that this being a popular content site comes up in the first couple of pages? Frankly, I was accused a short time ago of being in on "the plan" and it disgusted me enough to get in touch with the powers that be over at ask.com and file a complaint. I had not and have NOT to date "urged" anyone to contact me. People asking the questions are already working with other directors and I would only be hurting the reputatin of my group to be "urging" them to come onboard with me instead of someone they already know and like. Again, have a look at the home page of my website. I'm not about convincing or URGING anyone to do anything. My philosophy is VERY different. I'm here. If people want to talk to me because they like my philosophy and approach, they can. If not, then fine. I simply hope they find what it is they are looking for- whatever or whoever it is that works for THEM. Its NOT about ME- its about THEM! It seems to ME that the questions that people are asking are genuine and straight from the heart, not set up and twisted. I don't know.. but perhaps someone who posted a question will show up one day and let you and the other mods know how exactly they came to post a question here. I've just explained how it is that I came to answer! Jani Teeter L3 Director, CSG |
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Karma- I DID answer the question.. go and see my website! Or would you really rather me cut and paste the very long and detailed web page to one of my posts?
In the internet ettiquette I know.. cut and paste for miles is considered quite rude. If you would like a live, detailed product description with live question and answer then please visit the global theatre presentation. It is on Saturday and starts at 12:30 EST and ends about 2 hours later. See what I mean- a VERY long post, not to mention a more then full time job! Thus, the CSG system. Works great. We have extensive, lifetime travel memberships that are updated every 6 months and contain over 60 different providers. That is a LOT of information! Cheers Jani Teeter L3 Director, CSG |
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Excuse me, the proper way to Google something? As in what to type in so you don't get warnings that this is a scam?
Sorry but when a dozen or more websites are declaring this as a scam, it's a scam. Any website that expects you to pay to join sounds like a pyramid scheme, I would never pay someone that offered me a job. |
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Originally Posted by Lowtax4eva
A dozen or more websites can be found complaining about ANY business. Try for yourself and see, with a company whose products you know and trust. I'm sorry, but I am not my websites, and I certainly don't expect people to join my business and want to work with me without speaking to me first! It may sound like a pyramid to you- but clearly you have not looked at it. Then again.. corporate America IS a pyramid scheme. Think about it! This is the farthest away from that I've ever seen! I'm not "at the top" because there is no bottom.. and I don't have control over anyone save myself. Some might see that as a curse, I see it as a blessing. I wouldn't pay someone that offered me a job either. Jobs are were employers pay YOU. I'm not an employer! Thing is though, I don't know of any BUSINESS that can be started for free. The Coastal Vacations home based business opportunity is a BUSINESS for entrepreneurs NOT a job for employees, and it is about marketing a very real, very tangible, exceptional product. It has a comparatively low start up cost to most businesses (at least most real and potentially profitable ones-which I don't include vitamin selling schemes or other mlm business in), and as I have shared on other posts- much MUCH less risk then other business opportunities when you consider the product you own. Granted, you must actually like travel to even consider getting involved! Its NOT for everyone.. but it is not supposed to be! Less then 10% of the population has what it takes to be entrepreneurs and that is a good thing. I still need the good people at the bank, the post office, the gym, the grocery store, the gas station, wherever... point is- if they want more for themselves then a JOB, see this opportunity as something that is right for THEM and want to work with ME and I with them- everyone wins! |
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First, I did try it, I googled about a dozen companies in various business areas and I never got any hits on the first page declaring these companies to be a scam, while over half of the results for coastal vacations had the words "scam" "beware" "pyramid scheme" etc in the page and that's just the first page of results.
There is a difference between a normal company paying people at the bottom low salaries and the manager making hundreds of thousands and the testinomials found online regarding this company. There are several online blogs with people saying they paid the start up fee, got the sales and passed them on but never received the commission because the sales aren't followed up. It sounds more like the "managers" just keep these start up fees and move on to the next batch of employees (or entrepreneurs, or suckers, whatver they refer to them as) It also follows too closely the definition of a pyramid scheme Pyramid scheme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Sorry but we have to give out the information that's out there and I can't find any positive review of this company that has not been written on their own website or yours. |
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Originally Posted by Lowtax4eva
Yes, there is a difference between a traditional company and this one. It is that difference that brought me to it. There are several online blogs with people saying they paid the start up fee, got the sales and passed them on but never received the commission because the sales aren't followed up. It sounds more like the "managers" just keep these start up fees and move on to the next batch of employees (or entrepreneurs, or suckers, whatver they refer to them as) This makes no sense to me.. it doesn't even fit with the business model. Note that I am NOT insulting or implying anything about YOU. But if one purchases a package (which is NOT a "start up fee"), makes 2 training sales and then is a released director.. that is it, you are able to keep all of your own commissions and you are FREE of your director. You owe them nothing. SO- I don't see how that so called complaint even makes an iota of rational sense? I'm not a "manager" and I don't have "employees". Im a business mentor and I train and help people to start up their businesses. There is a good REASON that there is testimonials on my website, WITH contact information. I work with people whom I like and respect. I consider many of them to be my friends. Yes, they are like minded entrepreneurs. But to call them "suckers" would be to apply that same label to myself. Again, the fact that you can Google says very little about you, your experience or knowledge base save you are negative, critical and know how to Google and make assumptions. Please remember that you do attract to you what you focus on. I'll check in with the ask.com board again in a little while! In the meantime, I do hope people looking for answers find them and that they are honest, accurate and accountable answers. Jani Teeter L3 Director, CSG BTW.. I wasn't asking about page rank, I was simply commenting that there is not a successful company anywhere that does NOT have complaints against it. Some genuine, some not! Originally Posted by NeedKarma
This business about managers and waiting for money to be passed on or up, back whatever.. it doesn't make any sense! A released director is PAID directly by their client- there is no middle man. So, directors release in hand- how they accept and process payments is their business. Sounds like mis-information to me! Seems to me.. that all of you doing this "research" have a lot of spare time. If you aren't interested in Coastal Vacations, why are you bothering? If you are, why would you not consider going right to the source? I wouldn't ask my mechanic about which bathroom fixtures to buy.. so it really doesn't make sense for those of you who admit you aren't "experts" to be answering questions and not even accurately either! I realize you *think* that you are helping people. Have you looked at your results? Then again, I'm not looking to work for people that can't think with their own head. On the other hand, I KNOW that I am helping people. I know this because the people I work with every day keep thanking me. I know because the portion of my earnings I make that go to charity are making a postitive difference in the lives of people in my community. I know that my daughter is lucky to be home with me and not in daycare. I know how good it feels to be able to say "sure, Dad.. I can lend YOU some money-- consider it a gift". Bottom line is this is NOT the right thing for everyone.. but I don' know any ethical director who would say that it was. Point is, instead of detracting and degrading we encourage and assist. I can only be responsible for my choices, and my behavior. I'm accountable for that. Jani Teeter L3 Director, CSG |
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Sorry to disagree but I'm not trying to be biased, I simply searched by the companies name and did the same for many other companies and only found bad things about Coastal.
And lets be clear, these are not complaints, they are warnings to avoid as many people have lost money becoming a Coastal agent. And I don't think a competitor would have its own employees make up stories about coastal to make themselves look better, if this was ever traced back to them they could be lible for slander. And an individual would not make up stories about losing money, I have to think there is a grain of truth to the bulk of the stories. |
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Originally Posted by jnapier
It really is a wonderful thing to have a forum where people can ask questions and get answers. Its just rather unfortunate that people answering them often don't have much information themselves to answer with. Then again, I think that is most likely true in most areas of life. When I need an expert, I go out and find one. I hope other people think about doing the same! Cheers Jani Teeter L3 Director, CSG |
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I know all about ripoffreports.com, and I know for a fact it is not what it appears to be. I also know that popular content sites rise to the top of the engines. I also know that there are many GOOD things said about coastal, and many happy people. If you are looking at the first page of Google, have to hoped onto the work at home forum?? Bottom line is, I don't think you can find a single home based business online that does NOT have bad press about it. That has more to do with the people who have gotten involved in the past, generally. For example, I have been involved with melaleuca, herballife and several others. I still say great products, awful business model. Then again, there are lots of people that really do well and like those businesses. I just know in my own experience that making money with those mlm style companies is a WHOLE LOT harder then with Coastal.
Naturally, it makes sense that the people promoting the business have good things to say about it and good experiences. The people who have had bad experiences, for whatever reason have bad things to say. Again, 77.6 percent of statistics are "made up" as you put it.. having a statistics background myself- I can tell you that even "genuine" statistics are often skewed and manipulated. I always say check and cross check your source. Back up and seek out the facts and not just opinions. I'm not a "coastal agent" that implies I work for the company. As far as I am concerned, the packages are worth well more then what we market them for, so if people think they have "lost money" because they haven't followed through with the business- its just sour milk. You can think what you want.. I'm just saying that you should actually look at the other side of the coin. I have a good friend who lost THOUSANDS (as in double digets) of bucks on a pizza pizza franchise. Do you think he has anything good to say about them? I still say they have the BEST pizza though! |
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Except.. our "oven" is a lifetime travel membership. The oven depreciates over time.. but our membership is worth much more then when we pay for it initially- so automatically pays for itself. For most people, they pay for the cost of their membership the first time they take a vacation.
Yes, you are right.. the people we work with and FOR are not our employees. They are people we have agreed to teach to run their own businesses successfully. A Coastal Vacations home based business is an opportunity- not a job. I work, absolutely.. difference is I work for myself, when I want and with whom I want. I'm not tied down. I'm paid based on my results and NOT my hours spent. To really be successful and have longevity in this business, as in most others- you have to provide the people you work for with value. That is why people like Jay and Annette have good names and people around them who are also successful. They do what they are paid to do.. they do it well, and with integrity. Cheers Jani Teeter L3 Director, CSG |
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Wow! Isn't this called the askmehelpdesk forum where people go to find answers from experts? What I am seeing here are negative comments from people who cannot be considered experts like Jani and Jay. I am not even in their group so I have nothing to gain from promoting them. Am I mistaken, but the article Father Chuck refers to was written in 1996? What a perfect storm of bad luck, or perhaps just looking for anything and everything wrong with something.
To answer the question and not to get distracted with other arguments, Coastal Vacations is not a scam. Is it different than mainstream America? Sure, maybe it is. It takes work, maybe not 9-5, but it is NOT a get rich quick scheme and we offer no promises of success. It is an opportunity for those who really want it to break out of the corporate world, the JOB - to be able to spend time with family without putting kids in to daycare. Or maybe it appeals to someone who will never make more than $XX in their regular job but has dreams of putting children through college or buying a house or working for themselves. What is wrong with that? Some people have an entreprenurial spirit and are well suited for this, rather than be tied to a cubicle all day. On the other hand, this opportunity is NOT for everyone. The word scam tends to be misused. I believe there have been many people who have had a bad experinece with Coastal. There are many reasons for that. Mostly it is because the person joined up with someone who may not be above board or is not really helpful and enthusiastic. That happens, it is true. So, what I am trying to say, that particular director may be considered a "scam" but Coastal Vacations overall is NOT. But that is because we all individually run our own business. And why is it that people give more validity to the complainer rather than those who have been successful? I hope that answers the original question that was asked. Noreen |
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If I wanted to learn about basketball, I would learn from Michael Jordan, not the guy that writes about him. How are you an expert, because you research something and have an opinion? That is what you have is an opinion and certainly you are entitled. However, I would consider an expert as one who is involved, not one standing on the outside looking in.
There is so much more to it than getting people to join, so clearly you do not know what you are talking about. You must NOT be and expert on this topic, so I am not sure why you are chiming in. Can we stick to answering questions here? No need to creep around trying to track down my IP address. I will give you my full contact information if requested. Noreen |
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I can't speak for Jani, but I can tell you I'm the same way Noreen. First... I seek out someone who's doing what I want to do. I sell 5-13 Coastal Memberships a week based upon the system I use and putting in 2-4 hours a day of productivity.
The Result most Coastal People are looking for is to sell membership. Makes sense to me. On the other side of the coin... there are ALWAYS people who look at the glass half empty... and hey, they are entitles to their outlook. At the end of the day, you get to keep what you give away. Jay NaPier Level 3 Director/ Master Trainer Coastal Vacations |
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