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    Sep 21, 2024, 04:31 AM
    Dems don't want you to ever forget January 6
    Sunday ;a few hours after another would be assassin tried to kill Trump ...and with early voting beginning ;60 Minutes decided it would be a great time to run a hyperbolic over exaggerated segment about the January 6 mostly peaceful riot.

    Watch 60 Minutes: Prosecuting the Jan. 6 Capitol rioters - Full show on CBS

    The "threat to democracy" theme is all the Dems have to run on . So the compliant press has their marching orders . It was a campaign ad ;an infomercial .Trump should demand equal time.

    Even the FBI determined that the riot was not a coordinated event.It was not a coup . It just happened .

    Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources | Reuters

    Did Trump act irresponsibly by not using his influence to defuse it ? Yes. That doesn't make his a threat to democracy any more than the Dems organizing fundraising efforts to bail out the Floyd rioters .

    Kamala Harris on X: "If you’re able to, chip in now to the @MNFreedomFund to help post bail for those protesting on the ground in Minnesota. https://t.co/t8LXowKIbw" / X
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    Sep 21, 2024, 04:51 AM
    Can you imagine the massacre (metaphorically speaking to be clear) that would happen in this election if the press actually behaved professionally and objectively?
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    Sep 21, 2024, 05:13 AM
    a bloodbath
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    Sep 23, 2024, 03:42 AM
    IT is time for some court marshals' . It is bad enough that the military ignored the President's directive ;but they withheld this information as Trump has been subject to impeachment and criminal prosecution over the events of January 6.

    This was released by the Committee on House Administration's Subcommittee on Oversight . It proves that Trump wanted the National Guard deployed to protect the Capitol and DC ;and that the Pentagon deliberately ignored the request. It also proved that the Pentagon's IG report about January 6 is a fabrication and coverup.
    “Pentagon leadership prioritized concerns of optics over their duty to protect lives,” said Chairman Loudermilk. “President Trump met with senior Pentagon leaders and directed them to make sure any events on January 6, 2021 were safe. It is very concerning that these Senior Pentagon officials ignored President Trump’s guidance AND misled Congressional Leaders to believe they were doing their job, when they were not. The DoD IG’s report is fundamentally flawed. It does not draw conclusions from the interviews they conducted, but pushes a narrative to keep their hands clean. We have many questions for them, and we will continue to dig until we are satisfied the American people know the truth."



    Transcripts Show President Trump's Directives to Pentagon Leadership to "Keep January 6 Safe" Were Deliberately Ignored - Press Releases - United States Committee on House Administration

    They did place the DC National Guard a couple miles away from the Capitol with strict orders to not deploy to the Capitol unless Sec Army Ryan McCarthy gave the order . He gave the green light 2 hrs after the riot began.

    Jack Smith's indictments should be dropped in light of this information.
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    Sep 23, 2024, 04:16 AM
    Some more of those "inconvenient truths".
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    Sep 23, 2024, 05:03 AM
    Elie Honig former US prosecutor and current CNN legal analyst . There he has frequently sided with the DOJ against Trump . That is what makes his current article in NY Mag interesting.

    Jack Smith Is Making a Reckless Gamble in Trump Prosecution (nymag.com)

    He says Smith is ignoring SCOTUS guidelines on immunity.

    But as I noted ;Smith's primary goal at the point is not the actual conviction of Trump . He will make an opening salvo in the trial immediately before the election. Look for it as early as Thursday . He informed Judge Chutkan Saturday it could be up to 180 pages long.

    The Government believes that a comprehensive brief by the Government will be of great assistance to the Court in creating that robust record, and the Government thus seeks leave to exceed the typical limit for a single motion. See Local Crim. R. 47(e) (limiting opening motions and oppositions to 45 pages and replies to 25 pages). The Government has substantially drafted its opening motion and estimates that the filed version will not exceed 180 pages. The Government estimates that roughly half of its motion will consist of a detailed factual proffer, and that extensive footnote citations to an exhibit appendix increase the motion’s size by more than 30 pages.
    gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.237.0_3.pdf (courtlistener.com)

    His lead prosecutor has said

    That part of the brief would include things that are both in and outside the indictment. We anticipate that the brief would have a substantial number of exhibits. Those exhibits would come in the form of either grand jury transcripts, interview transcripts, 302s, documentary exhibits, things of that nature, things that would allow the Court to consider both the circumstances and the content, form and context, all in the words of the Supreme Court, that the Court needs to have in order to make its [immunity] determinations.”
    The September 26 Brief We'll Get in the Trump January 6 Case - emptywheel

    Smith will make an opening argument public that Trump's team will not have access to until it is released. It will take them days to reply . The judge gave Trump's team until Oct 17 to reply and Smith until October 29 to reply to Trump's opposition.

    You see the timeline here ? All this will be publicly argued in the closing days of the campaign.
    Honig writes of Smith's competence.

    “Despite the rush to crown him as some infallible giant-slayer immediately upon his appointment as special counsel in November 2022, the reality is Smith’s career is stained with high-profile failures born of prosecutorial overreach. He supervised, at various points, spectacularly failed prosecutions of Virginia governor Bob McDonnell, former North Carolina senator and presidential and vice-presidential candidate John Edwards, and New Jersey senator Bob Menendez.”

    He did not mention the various slap downs SCOTUS gave Smith in these get Trump cases.

    None of that is as important as the show trial .
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    Sep 24, 2024, 01:22 AM
    John Solomon in Just the News adds details.

    Turns out Sec Miller did not like Trump very much . At one point he compared Trump to Castro. Trump's request for 10,000 guard was ignored and a much smaller force was made available.

    Bombshell transcripts: Trump urged use of troops to protect Capitol on Jan. 6 , but was rebuffed | Just The News
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    Sep 24, 2024, 12:59 PM
    Perhaps Trump was too imprecise???

    “The President just says, ‘Hey look at this. It’s going to be a large amount of protesters come in here on the 6th, and make sure that you have sufficient National Guard or Soldiers to make sure it’s a safe event,’” Milley told the inspector general in one of two interviews he did in spring 2021 during a probe of the Pentagon’s response to Jan. 6.
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    Sep 25, 2024, 05:03 AM
    Every Federal agency that had any role in Jan 6 have already released their internal IG report . All except 1 that is .

    Flashback Jan 15 2021

    DOJ internal watchdog opens investigation into Capitol riots - POLITICO



    It is listed as "ongoing"
    Review Examining the Role and Activity of DOJ and its Components in Preparing for and Responding to the Events at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021


    The DOJ Office of the Inspector General (OIG) is initiating a review to examine the role and activity of DOJ and its components in preparing for and responding to the events at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021. The DOJ OIG will coordinate its review with reviews also being conducted by the Offices of Inspector General of the Department of Defense, the Department of Homeland Security, and the Department of the Interior. The DOJ OIG review will include examining information relevant to the January 6 events that was available to DOJ and its components in advance of January 6; the extent to which such information was shared by DOJ and its components with the U.S. Capitol Police and other federal, state, and local agencies; and the role of DOJ personnel in responding to the events at the U.S. Capitol on January 6. The DOJ OIG also will assess whether there are any weaknesses in DOJ protocols, policies, or procedures that adversely affected the ability of DOJ or its components to prepare effectively for and respond to the events at the U.S. Capitol on January 6. If circumstances warrant, the DOJ OIG will consider examining other issues that may arise during the review.
    The DOJ OIG is mindful of the sensitive nature of the ongoing criminal investigations and prosecutions related to the events of January 6. Consistent with long-standing OIG practice, in conducting this review, the DOJ OIG will take care to ensure that the review does not interfere with these investigations or prosecutions.


    Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP), Other DOJ Components, United States Marshals Service (USMS)
    Ongoing Work (justice.gov)

    Meanwhile FBI Director Wray refuses to give details to Congressional investigations because their review is "ongoing"

    Meanwhile in trial deliberations we learned that FBI had agents and asserts embedded with Proud Boys and Oath Keepers .

    In Proud Boys Jan. 6 Sedition Trial, FBI Informants Abound - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    Informant Likely to Testify as Defense Witness in Jan. 6 Sedition Trial - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    and at the Capitol .How many ? That is anyone's guess.

    Exclusive | FBI lost count of number of informants at Capitol on Jan. 6: ex-official (nypost.com)

    How many of the embedded assets were actively involved in criminal activity themselves ? I can't document that but more than one person on social media have made the claim that known informants and possibly agents participated in the riot or egged protesters on.

    Almost 4 years later we deserve to know the truth .
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    Sep 25, 2024, 05:18 AM
    If we had anything even approaching an honest, unbiased national news media, these kinds of things would be minimized. They do this because they know the room will remain dark.
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    Sep 25, 2024, 05:36 AM
    Nothing to see here . Any other conclusion makes you a conspiracy theorist.
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    Oct 1, 2024, 03:16 AM
    DOJ Inspector General Horowitz sorta gave reasons for his foot dragging last week at Congressional hearings He paused his investigation so as to not interfere in the department’s “ongoing criminal cases” into January 6.In other words key evidence about Jan 6 was not investigated so as not to interfere in the investigation . Got it

    So his investigation about FBI informants at the Jan 6 rally will not conclude until after the election
    Got it .

    Watchdog report on Justice Department’s Jan. 6 response won’t be done by election - POLITICO

    DOJ inspector general does not deny FBI informants were among Jan 6 crowd (yahoo.com)

    Does a 4 year delay represent election interference by the DOJ ? How many "confidential sources " were in the crowd and how much they were paid will be an unknown with voters heading to the polls ?

    Remember when just the suggestion that there may have been paid FBI agents in the crowd was considered a wild conspiracy theory ?
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    Oct 4, 2024, 05:36 AM
    Judge Chutkan unsealed the Smith new indictment . So much for that DOJ 60 day rule.
    This is the 2024 version of the Steele Dossier .
    Smith's 'hail Mary' is hoping this influences the election. Trump wins and his investigation is over . Kam wins then Trump is convicted . It is that simple. But conviction is secondary to defeating him at the polls.
    AG Garland will have fulfilled his primary objective .
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    Oct 5, 2024, 02:23 AM
    this new indictment is the DOJs 3rd attempt in 3 election cycles to interfere with the goal of denying Trump a win.


    Video: CNN legal analyst slams Jack Smith filing in Trump 2020 election case | CNN Politics
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    Oct 5, 2024, 06:29 AM
    At some point the real intent of these liberal dems becomes so obvious as to raise support for Trump.
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    Oct 6, 2024, 01:18 AM
    Tampon Tim actually said this during the debate

    TIM WALZ: "The thing I'm most concerned about is imprisoning your political opponents!" (youtube.com)
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    Oct 11, 2024, 10:04 AM
    What did Walz say after that?
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    Oct 11, 2024, 04:42 PM
    you can read the transcript here.

    Read the full VP debate transcript from the Walz-Vance showdown - CBS News

    He was speaking of January 6 while ignoring the Dems attempts at jailing Trump for political reasons from before the days he won the 2016 election. Ask Evita . To this day she denies she lost the election. Ask the Goracle and his denial of losing the election in 2000 until SCOTUS put an end to the recounts
    Ask the Dem Reps who challenged the certification of Bush and Trump's elections on the floor of Congress.

    12 Minutes of Democrats Denying Election Results (youtube.com)

    In 2005, 32 Democrats in Congress attempted overturn the results of the presidential election by objecting to Ohio's electoral votes — Excess of Democracy

    Since 2001, Democrats Objected 3 Times to Electoral College Certification (dailysignal.com)
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    Oct 12, 2024, 10:19 AM
    Trump has enough felonies that alone say he should be imprisoned. And he's OLD!!! Vitriolic Vance would take over the presidency when Trump is put in a hospital and nursing home because of his dementia.
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    Oct 12, 2024, 10:32 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    you can read the transcript here.
    No. YOU tell me what he then said.

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