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    Nov 30, 2023, 01:18 PM
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    Dec 1, 2023, 04:27 AM
    From what I could here in the audio, with both of them constantly talking over each other , DeSantis had an easy time contrasting the approaches to governance ;freedoms ; and differences in political philosophies.
    Loved the line about the freedoms in California . The freedom to defecate on the streets . He was consistent in his messaging . The people are voting with their feet and what Newsom and Clueless Joe-Kam the Sham want to do is nationalize California's failures .
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    Dec 1, 2023, 05:33 AM
    It is really coming down to a question of freedom. Do we need people like Newsom to tell us what to do and when to do it, or should we be free (and responsible) enough to take care of ourselves.
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    Dec 1, 2023, 06:06 AM
    DeSantis did a good job pointing out the hypocricy of lock downs while Newsome dined in 5 star restaurants ;and sent his kids to private school as he kowtowed to the teacher's unions. He was strong on the economic ;education ;parental choice .

    He was a little weaker with abortion . Newsome tried to pin him down on if DeSantis would sign a complete ban. DeSantis was non-committal . He should've answered it by asking what restrictions would Newsome agree to. The Dems always evade that because they would not oppose wacking a baby in the birth canal.
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    Dec 1, 2023, 06:41 AM
    Liz Peek's analysis

    Top takeaways, real winner of DeSantis, Newsom debate (foxnews.com)
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    Dec 2, 2023, 04:03 PM
    Reports are emerging that even though the candidates agreed to extend the debate another half hour; DeSantis' wife threw in the towel . When Hannity came back from commercial break both candidates were gone.

    NBC reports

    According to four sources in the DeSantis camp — one who witnessed the moment in the room and three others who were standing backstage (where there was no press or live studio audience) — Newsom’s wife, Jennifer Siebel Newsom, came into the debate room on at least two occasions to raise some objections.
    She also made her way to the stage during the break after the candidates agreed to extend the debate and put an end to it.



    “Gavin Newsom got beat so badly last night his wife literally had to throw in the towel for him. It was embarrassing,” DeSantis spokesman Andrew Romeo said.
    Sparks flew behind the scenes at the Ron DeSantis and Gavin Newsom debate (nbcnews.com)

    I finally got to view the debate .
    DeSantis has been unfairly labeled as a wooden speaker without the gravitas to compete against Trump . But perhaps his performance Thursday illustrates why Trump has refused to debate him . He was on point throughout the debate He hammered away repeatedly on the issues and tied them into the reason Californians are leaving the state for Florida and Texas . Newsom by contrast could not explain the exodus and made up stats that even the most biased lib fact checkers dispute .
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    Dec 2, 2023, 05:09 PM
    Whose wife was it, DeSantis's or Newsom's? You say it was one and then the other. I assume you meant to say Newsom's wife.
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    Dec 3, 2023, 03:50 AM
    clearly since she is named in the link provided

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