[tomder55]

I have not had the opportunity to read a book that was written in 1973 by French author Jean Raspail .......The Camp of Saints (English translation ) The title is inspired by the Book of Revelations 20 7-9 . It is a dystopian novel about how a wave of illegal immigration overwhelms Europe. The book is out of circulation and carries a very hefty price tag.
Critics of the book use the same cliches that are used to condemn anyone who wants border control. But the wave of illegals into this country and Europe has created the political rise of Trump ;and more recently Geert Wilders in Holland .

Dutch election: Geert Wilders records massive shock win in Netherlands | AP News

Compliant press around the globe label them as racist; xenophobe; anti Muslim; nativists.... yada yada yada . What they want to preserve is national identity; culture; sovereignty; and borders

And why didn't he finish it?

And that wall would have gone through protected wetlands, private property, and state/federal parks. It never would have been finished.

You answer your own question . Progress on the wall was tied up in court battles. Clueless Joe has decided to violate all the red tape to build just one small section . I doubt that will get done .

[jlisenbe]

What they want to preserve is national identity; culture; sovereignty; and borders.

That's a really interesting thought. Surely we have the right to guard our borders and be selective about who is allowed to enter in the same way that any homeowner can select who can come in, who can stay for a short time to do a specific job, who can stay the night, or who can stay permanently as a member of the family. My children have rights in my home that other children do not have.

Do we, as a nation, have the right to demand of immigrants that they accept our collective ideals? Do we even have a set of collective ideals? Are there any core values that we can say define our national identity?

I'm all for the legal immigration of Latinos. They work hard and appreciate the opportunity to become successful. But to have our current insane situation of a basically open border allowing whoever to come in bringing whatever with them should be viewed as a national security crisis.

[tomder55]

The rationale used to be melting pot here. In Europe there was clear distinct identities until they came up with that Euro vision of the continent .

Do we have the right to demand integration ? Absolutely ! If I was to emigrate to another nation I would do my best to adopt customs and language . I would not expect them to accomodate mine .

The rationale used to be melting pot here. In Europe there was clear distinct identities until they came up with that Euro vision of the continent .

Do we have the right to demand integration ? Absolutely ! If I was to emigrate to another nation I would do my best to adopt customs and language . I would not expect them to accomodate mine .

[jlisenbe]

Absolutely ! If I was to emigrate to another nation I would do my best to adopt customs and language

Language is an easy one and I agree with you on that. Customs? I'm not sure how many customs we have left that could be called core ideals. Democracy? Representative republic? It's hard to settle on them.

[tomder55]

I look for assimilation with all that entails .
The hordes of invaders ;many of whom have no intention to assimilate has and will overwhelm out ability to absorb them .

I keep going back to the Cloward -Piven strategy(aka “crisis strategy” aka the “flood the zone-bankrupt-the-cities strategy”), .

The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty | The Nation

public_comment_steve_mikowski_02162021.pdf (leelanau.gov)

The Radical Imagination | Imagining Radical Implementation - The Cloward/Piven Model - YouTube


Cloward and Piven were a married couple ; professors at the Columbia University School of Social Work, who were disciples along with the emperor and Evita Clintoon of Saul Alinksy and his 'Rules for Radicals' . In his book Alinsky wrote to make your enemies live up to their own rules. He predicted that when every law and statute, every Judeo-Christian moral tenet, and every promise of the social contract were attempted to be honored ;our institutions would fail .

The plan is overloading the government bureaucracy with a torrent of impossible demands When those are not met, political turmoil results, leading to economic collapse.... the fall of capitalism ...and the imposition of Marxist socialism with programs like guaranteed universal income .

This invasion ;the undermining and defunding of law enforcement ;the increased demands for non-transparent voting ;Clueless Joe's gimmee's are not accidents. It is a plan being orchestrated by the radical left and their patsies in the progressive movement ,and funded by the likes of George Soros.

[jlisenbe]

He predicted that when every law and statute, every Judeo-Christian moral tenet, and every promise of the social contract were attempted to be honored ;our institutions would fail .

That one is puzzling. I would think it would be a good thing to honor every law and statute as long, of course, as the laws are reasonable and good. And if we were to genuinely honor the moral tenets of the Bible, then we would live in a country where federal budgets would be balanced, the traditional one man/one woman family structure would once again be the norm, and the "pay to not work" welfare system would cease, so I'm at a loss to see how that would cause our institutions to fail.

As to your final two paragraphs, I would say they are unquestionably true.

[tomder55]

These are people who don't believe in Christianity . It is antithetical to Marxists who's goal is creating utopia on earth.
This is a global effort Taking down the top capitalist nation is the coup de gras

Klaus Schwab on Reimagining Capitalism to Better Economy | TIME

It's called the Great Reset and the there are many powerful people on board .

The Great Reset: How to Build a Better World Post-COVID-19 | TIME

[jlisenbe]

The real enemy is to ignore laws and violate the moral tenets of the Bible. That would certainly lead to the social chaos which is the birthplace of Marxist movements.

I think we would be wise to promote free enterprise rather than capitalism. And I realize they are not exactly the same, but it's close enough. Most people no longer know what capitalism is and, even worse, have a corrupted idea of the meaning of the term. Free enterprise still seems to have a moral and economic purity to it in the minds of most people, perhaps because of the "free" (freedom) aspect of it. At any rate, when free enterprise is flourishing, then capitalism is as well.

[tomder55]

yes Adam Smith got it right

It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages.

It is their so called "greed " that provides us with the items we need or want.
Smith said even beggars go to the market to buy or barter for what they want or need

Nobody but a beggar chuses to depend chiefly upon the benevolence of his fellow-citizens. Even a beggar does not depend upon it entirely. The charity of well-disposed people, indeed, supplies him with the whole fund of his subsistence. But though this principle ultimately provides him with all the necessaries of life which he has occasion for, it neither does nor can provide him with them as he has occasion for them. The greater part of his occasional wants are supplied in the same manner as those of other people, by treaty, by barter, and by purchase. With the money which one man gives him he purchases food. The old cloaths which another bestows upon him he exchanges for other old cloaths which suit him better, or for lodging, or for food, or for money, with which he can buy either food, cloaths, or lodging, as he has occasion

[jlisenbe]

The difference is that the beggars now live in apartments with central heat and air, use government funds to eat in restaurants, and watch cable television.

[tomder55]

so how did Finland deal wiith illegals crossing their border from Russia ?


Finland to close entire Russian border after migrant surge (bbc.com)



Russia was surging invaders to the Finland border after they joined NATO . The immigrants were a pawn in Putin's game and the Fins would have none of it .

[jlisenbe]

Plainly a bunch of racists. How dare the Finns think they have some sort of sovereign right to control who enters their country!!

[Wondergirl]

The difference is that the beggars now live in apartments with central heat and air, use government funds to eat in restaurants, and watch cable television.

Many of them in police stations, and are using cots or sleeping bags for beds.

OR they're living in tents put up in parking lots and on city sidewalks.

[jlisenbe]

Homeless people now largely are either addicts, mentally ill, or those who just prefer to be homeless. It's certainly not true of all, but it does seem to be true of most.

[Wondergirl]

Homeless people now largely are either addicts, mentally ill, or those who just prefer to be homeless. It's certainly not true of all, but it does seem to be true of most.

Chicago bused in many migrants from NYC. They are living in police stations and in tents in parking lots and even on sidewalks.

Every day the Chicago newspapers have a positive story or two about them.

[jlisenbe]

We could advertise in Mexico, “Come to America, set up a tent in a parking lot, and be homeless.”

We’ve lost our minds.

[Wondergirl]

We could advertise in Mexico, “Come to America, set up a tent in a parking lot, and be homeless.”

We’ve lost our minds.

They're gradually getting housing, etc. We're sending the crabby ones to Mississippi etc. where it's warm.

[jlisenbe]

You're not sending anyone anywhere. You don't tell them what to do. They are clearly making their own choices, beginning with being in this country illegally.

The Chicago mayor does not seem to agree with your rosy assessment of the situation. He's blaming it all on Lightfoot.

Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson said he "inherited" the Windy City’s migrant crisis from his predecessor, former Mayor Lori Lightfoot, during a press conference touting construction of the city’s first government-run migrant tent encampment.

At least 20,000 migrants have poured into Chicago since August 2022, when many migrants were bused from the southern border states to liberal cities farther north. Efforts have been underway to strip Chicago of its sanctuary city status as some residents sound off about the issue.

In addition to the influx of migrants who lack shelter, an estimated 68,000 Chicago citizens are considered homeless, Fox News Digital reported earlier this month.

We should all be thankful that Chitown has such good control over the situation. [sarc] At any rate, taxpayers will be called upon to shoulder the burden created by a wide-open southern border under the inept "leadership" of the Biden admin.

BTW, friend of mine helped bury a 30 year old young man yesterday. Cause of death? Fentanyl, the drug that WG seems completely unconcerned about.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chi...isis-inherited

[Wondergirl]

Chicago and suburban churches are now getting into the housing etc. situation. A hospital in a suburb east of me closed earlier this year and is being considered as a remake to be an apartment building for migrants.

[Wondergirl]

BTW, friend of mine helped bury a 30 year old young man yesterday. Cause of death? Fentanyl, the drug that WG seems completely unconcerned about.

This thread is about sanctuary cities. Please start a new thread about fentanyl.