[jlisenbe]

using Scripture I could prove Jesus and God Are sinners.

Let's see it.

[waltero]

JL, what is it that your 2nd to last post is missing?

[jlisenbe]

You have made a claim. "using Scripture I could prove Jesus and God Are sinners."

Let's see the proof. Can you show that or not?

[Wondergirl]

@WG; Maybe we can talk this the other way around. For the sake Of Argument, even using Scripture It could be proven Jesus and God Are sinners. Do you believe not that? Not that they are sinners, but that It could be proven that way??

I have absolutely NO idea what you're saying and what you might be headed toward.

[jlisenbe]

I have absolutely NO idea what you're saying and what you might be headed toward.

Yep. I just don't see this one.

[waltero]

I would like to show you if you'd allow me.

The only thing is, Jl you'll have to hold back. Are you able to do that? You'll get your chance, But for now, could you just hold back for a sec??? Maybe we can Have some Fun with it. JL hold back until I say go? OK?? Is that alright???

If not tell me your parameters. I'd like for you to come out with them before I start this exercise in futility.

[jlisenbe]

I am certainly willing to listen. Go right ahead. Am I willing to "have fun" with this effort to show God and Jesus to be sinners? No, but I am willing to listen.

I'd present it this way. We can potentially challenge each other's beliefs in a respectful way. BTW, as WG no doubt will affirm, this is my normal parameter.

[waltero]

respectful way.

I got a good laugh at this one (let it go).

Am I willing to "have fun" - No

You've already expressed your understanding on this subject. You've already come to the understanding that this subject is at a standstill. All I'm asking is for you to butt out (please). If you can't have fun then I don't want you here. At first you had no opinion on this subject. Now you do, OK, we know your opinion. Now I want to get to the truth of the Matter. Regarding the talk - "Jesus could have sinned"> Hers is what you are actually saying: Jesus Had to have sinned because Jesus repented! Please allow WG to explain what she means by this...these being even more why Questions.

[jlisenbe]

You are trying to change the subject. You have made a claim. "using Scripture I could prove Jesus and God Are sinners." Let's see the proof. Can you show that or not?

Please allow WG to explain what she means by this.

Why don't you go first? You've made a wild claim, or at least it certainly seems that way. I'd like to see those scriptures.

Now since it appears you can't do it, then I'm perfectly happy to back out. The field is yours.

[waltero]

Look at yourself JL?

I'm perfectly happy to back out.

Yes, Please. Thank you.


@WG: Only sinners need to repent and Jesus repented. Jesus must have been a sinner. - Right?

[jlisenbe]

Like I said.

Now since it appears you can't do it, then I'm perfectly happy to back out. The field is yours.

I've never understood why people want to make these dramatic claims only to be found completely unable to back them up. It's like they think no one is going to challenge their wild statements. Well...guess again.

You are free to ask WG to do what you have shown you are not able to do. I only ask that you leave me out of it. No more of, "Look at yourself JL?"

[Wondergirl]

@WG: Only sinners need to repent and Jesus repented. Jesus must have been a sinner. - Right?

Please define "sinner".

Please tell us more about when Jesus repented. Why? Because of what?

[waltero]

With the same Idea as you claim Jesus could have sinned...Jesus must have sinned because the Bible (your idea of Sin) says that Sinners need to repent and be Baptized. It's easy...Using your own Logic; Because Jesus was Baptized...as to Why - Because he sinned. Could you please explain to me - If Jesus didn't Sin (as you said he could have) then why did he need to repent and be baptized?

[Wondergirl]

With the same Idea as you claim Jesus could have sinned...Jesus must have sinned because the Bible (your idea of Sin) says that Sinners need to repent and be Baptized. It's easy...Using your own Logic; Because Jesus was Baptized...as to Why - Because he sinned.

No, that's not why Jesus was baptized.

[waltero]

Great answer. thank you. I believe you [Sarc]. Now maybe you could explain Why "Jesus Chose"(for he did have a choice did he not?) to repent and be baptised? If Jesus didn't Sin (as you said he could have) then why did he need to repent and be baptized?

[Wondergirl]

Jesus didn't repent.

He could have sinned, yes, but He didn't.

Why was Jesus baptized?

[waltero]

Jesus didn't repent.

John's Baptism was a baptism of repentance, was it not? WG, you're making this hard on yourself. Please don't do that. You can tell me, just say what's on your mind, please. Jesus sinned...He had to have, he repented and was Baptized.

[Wondergirl]

Jesus didn't repent because He hadn't sinned.

Now, why was He baptized?

[waltero]

Jesus didn't repent

Of course he did! Are you just going to ignore the fact that John's Baptism was a Baptism of REPENTANCE???

I'm just telling you (using your own Logic) with your own words, that Jesus was a sinner because he was Baptized with a baptism of repentance. Do you know why those Pharisees didn't get baptized by John or anybody else...Because they had no need of repentance.

[Wondergirl]

Of course he did! Are you just going to ignore the fact that John's Baptism was a Baptism of REPENTANCE???

Not in Jesus' case.

By baptizing Jesus, John was declaring to all that Jesus was the One they had been waiting for, the Son of God, the Savior.

Jesus’ baptism also showed that He identified with sinners. His baptism symbolized the sinners’ baptism into the righteousness of Christ, dying with Him, and rising free from sin and able to walk in the newness of life.

Jesus’ baptism by John showed His approval of John’s baptism -- and that it was approved by God.