[Wondergirl]

People kill each other because of free will. People use their free will to do good or evil. Two male penguins parented an orphan baby penguin because of free will. The internet is full of stories about same-sex individuals that worked together as caregivers.

[jlisenbe]

Give me an example that is not the result of a genetic abnormality.

Yet another question unanswered.

People kill each other because of free will. People use their free will to do good or evil. Two male penguins parented an orphan baby penguin because of free will. The internet is full of stories about same-sex individuals that worked together as caregivers.

Has nothing to do with the fall of Adam/Eve resulting in non-binary individuals. Nothing at all.

Two male penguins parented an orphan baby penguin because of free will.

You have documentation for this? Even if true, did the two male penguins have sex with each other? Did they continue to mate with female penguins? Did they attempt to act like female penguins?

[Wondergirl]

Yet another question unanswered.

Has nothing to do with the fall of Adam/Eve resulting in non-binary individuals. Nothing at all.

Of course, it does!!! Mother Nature got free will.

You have documentation for this? Even if true, did the two male penguins have sex with each other? Did they continue to mate with female penguins? Did they attempt to act like female penguins?

Yes, I'm a retired librarian, but you have a brain ... hmm ... and can search.

[jlisenbe]

Of course, it does!!!

How?

Yes, I'm a retired librarian, but you have a brain ... hmm ... and can search.

Let's see now. YOU are retired librarian, and yet you cannot do your own searching and need someone else to do it for you? "Hmm," indeed. Again, you would be better served to be honest and admit you don't know at all.

More unanswered questions. "...did the two male penguins have sex with each other? Did they continue to mate with female penguins? Did they attempt to act like female penguins?" There is now a plethora of them. (I knew you would like that word "plethora".)

[Wondergirl]

It's not MY searching. The obligation is on you. Plus, as a teacher, did you always hold a student's hand? I bet not. You let him do his own work and make discoveries on his own.

You don't know how to research? Googling is so helpful!

One of many similar headlines:

Gay penguin couple become first-time dads at New York zoo

[jlisenbe]

It's not MY searching. The obligation is on you. Plus, as a teacher, did you always hold a student's hand? I bet not. You let him do his own work and make discoveries on his own.

You don't know how to research? Googling is so helpful!

So the answer is no, you have no idea whether or not two male penguins raised an orphan penguin. Don't know why you can't just be honest and admit to it. And why I would have some obligation to find documentation for a claim made by you is just a mystery.

Actually, it's not. Just trying to get out of a tight spot, are you?

More unanswered questions. "...did the two male penguins have sex with each other? Did they continue to mate with female penguins? Did they attempt to act like female penguins?" There is now a plethora of them.

[Wondergirl]

I added more to my post. Please read. As I said, that headline is only one of many similar ones.
Here's another:

We’re getting used to celebrity public transgender announcements but did you know that plants can also change their sex?

The Fortingall Yew (Taxus baccata), proclaimed as the UK’s oldest tree is undergoing a partial transformation from male to female.

Yew trees are dioecious (meaning ‘two houses’) so plants can be either male or female. Male plants produce pollen, and female plants have bright red berries. The Fortingall Yew in Perthshire, Scotland, believed to be anything from 3000 to 9000 years old has always been described in records as a male plant. But a few months ago local experts noticed that one small part of the upper canopy was starting to produce female berries.

It’s not an unknown phenomenon for trees to change sex – some conifers do it and ash trees are notorious for switching. The plant’s hormones are altered by environmental factors, or perhaps age. Botanists at the University of Tuscia in Viterbo, Italy have recorded instances of female yew trees changing to male, and noted that female yew trees are more prone to suffer stress.
https://gardendrum.com/2016/01/07/ye...ansgender-too/

[jlisenbe]

Did the Yew tree actually develop female reproductive organs (flowers) thus becoming capable of producing offspring (seeds), or did it simply claim to have become female with no evidence at all?

As to the penguins, I'll ask the unanswered question again. Do the two males have sex with each other, or are they simply companions as in friends? Might add that the entire scenario of the two of them incubating an egg was contrived by the zoo personnel, and referring to them as a "gay couple" is just ridiculous.

I do give you credit for looking up your two examples. Neither of them, however, did anything to prove your case that Adam and Eve somehow released transgenderism on humanity. Keep looking.

I actually have no problem with you using these types of examples to attempt to prove your case for TG and homosexuality. I don't agree with them at all, but it is legit. It's when you try to make this seem legitimate by connecting it to the Bible that you fall flat.

[waltero]

this is what I mean. the two of you are too much.

Judas walked with Jesus for three years, what are the two of you doing?

[jlisenbe]

I'm sorry you don't approve of our discussions.

For me, I am walking with Jesus now more than ever. I hope you are as well.

[Wondergirl]

Give me an example that is not the result of a genetic abnormality.

When God gave the universe free will, that included genetic abnormalities such as autism and bipolar illness and wow! gender identity!

Look around you. Nothing is perfect in this life.

And you've got the wrong penguin story.

[jlisenbe]

When God gave the universe free will, that included genetic abnormalities such as autism and bipolar illness and wow! gender identity!

That is an observation but not an example. I asked for an example concerning your comment about, "...non-binary in plants, insects, animals, birds, humans."

How do you know that bi-polar illness and autism are genetic abnormalities? They might very well be, but I haven't heard that.

[waltero]

For me, I am walking with Jesus

we can say the same for Judas. Watch out!

When God gave the universe free will

One doesn't have free will when it's in one's own nature to sin. Free will belongs to God (and he has a son) and God alone. Iniquity was found in Lucifer (who are his offspring)? You could [almost] say, before the Fall man had free will. After the fall, free will...

[Wondergirl]

The Fall happened because mankind WAS GIVEN free will by God. Mankind had a choice but made the wrong one.

A person sins because he has free will and can make a good choice -- but too often ends up making the wrong choice.

[jlisenbe]

“We can say the same for Judas. Watch out!”

And your advice applies to you as well. Correct??

[jlisenbe]

I said your advice applies to you as well. Correct??

[Wondergirl]

What does "walking with Jesus" mean?

[waltero]

And your advice applies to you as well. Correct??

Me, more than anybody else.

mankind WAS GIVEN free will by God.

Okay, let us go with that.

Mankind had a choice

Operative word being "Had.

But [ Mankind] made the wrong [choice] one.

Wrong choice - According to whom...according to God aka life? God said; "for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die"... an invitation to death?

A person sins because he has free will

Or, rather a person sins because they are born in sin. It is in our nature to sin. we can do nothing but sin. All we bring to the table is sin.

and [we] can make a good choice

oppose to sinning? Sorry, that is not good enough. it is not the "we" that is important here. "we" will continue to make bad choices and sin regardless of what "we" want. Paul explains that. You're confused. Man's "good choices" are just that - they belong to man and his (this) world...the World that we all know and love (right).

No one is good...
no longer "ZGood choice."
God's choice is where it's at... no longer "free will as we've known it."

[Wondergirl]

WG: and [we] can make a good choice

waltero: oppose to sinning? Sorry, that is not good enough.

WG: We can choose to steal or not steal. We can choose to murder or not murder. We can choose to hate or not hate. And so on.

We still have a choice to do good or do evil.

[waltero]

We still have a choice to do good or do evil.

That isn't here nor there.
We Sin."Choosing" to steal or not to steal is still a sin.